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post #7 of Old 07-14-2018, 10:53 PM
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I don't know, Charlotte. This is one of several posts I've come across here expressing enthusiastic anticipation of a n/a flat-6 powered 718 GT4. Which puzzles me.....

I get that the 981 Cayman GT4 was a truly great car, and a 718 GT4 based on the 4.0 n/a f6 in the 911 GT3 would be a natural evolution of that package. But I for one would find that disappointing....here's why.

In Formula 1 (and other racing series I'm sure) they speak of a particular version of a car as the package -- meaning the combination of platform (chassis, steering, brakes, aero, suspension, tires) and engine. To me, the 718 package is as much defined by the new turbo f4 engines as it is the evolution of the 981 platform. I love the way the whole package works together, but especially how the torquey and efficient turbo power gives this car a unique character and identity unlike the 981 or the 987 I drove for 12 years. It's not just a face-lift next-gen Boxster with enhanced handling and speed -- it's a different package.

So as good as a 718 GT4 with 911 GT3 engine might be, it would revert back to the old package of mid-engine Cayman platform with 911 engine. Not a new 718 at all...

But a 718 GT4 with +50hp variant of the current S turbo f4/VTG -- good lord that would be awesome. If Porsche would even allow a non-911 to be faster than the GT3, which I doubt. But whatever power and Nurburgring time Porsche allows a turbo GT4, it would do so much more to raise the image and appreciation of the full 718 package than giving the haters just what they want -- a relatively large displacement n/a f6 back in the mid-engine platform.
I just saw your post again regarding the N/A 6. You hit the nail on the head. Even Randy Pobst said the turbo 4 is faster than the old GT4 6. Just pump up the boost and add some cooling for water and oil, and the old NA stuff looks like saving the wooden wagon wheel. While all the haters hate the turbo 4, they seem to forget that Porsche's history with turbos( very successfully) goes back to the '70's. Even Mr. Metzger loves turbos.
...well that's kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. You refer to all the "haters" of the turbo 4 yet you equate the "old NA stuff" as "saving the wooden wagon wheel". Not too much love in that statement. I think the turbo 4 is a phenomenal achievement. I do not hate it but I do appreciate what the "old" NA flat six offers in terms of performance and yes, history. Just as the flat 4 has history so does the flat 6 and I applaud Porsche for continuing to offer it in their GT line up. I get the whole 718 continuity/package argument but whether you like it or not, the GT4 is considered a GT car. As GT division boss, Andreas Preuninger has been quoted numerous times (one example, article by Matt Bubbers, Globe and Mail, May 02, 2018) as saying "at Motorsport, we think we can achieve throttle response and immediacy a little bit better with an atmospheric high-revving engine than any kind of turbo". And yes, turbos have been part of the Porsche line since the 70s, as you stated, but these were mostly as the higher performance versions of a particular model. Turbos back then were considered special, in my opinion, but now everything is going turbo for all the known/previously discussed reasons. I find it refreshing that Porsche continues to offer the tried and true flat 6, for at least the near future. Yes, it is as special now, just as the turbos of the past once were. Regarding the performance of the upcoming GT4, only Porsche truly knows. If the rumors are true, the "old" NA 3.8 will be stroked to 4.0 (definite 4.0 regardless) with a speculated 420HP. Nothing to be ashamed about, regardless of what could have been pumped out of the turbo 4, should they have chosen to do so. The 2019 GT4 will be a phenomenal performer. Whether you accept it as part of the 718 line, we'll have to wait and see. But isn't that similar to the "hate" from fans of the previous generation, etc., you described and the reason I believe this forum was originally established. I continue to remain excited regarding the 2nd generation GT4 and look forward to taking possession of mine, hopefully sometime in 2019.

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