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post #1 of 28 Old 05-09-2019, 08:02 PM Thread Starter
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Hey Guys,

So later this year I'm going to get the 718 Cayman S as my first car! I was wondering if there are common issues to watch out for and any tips and tricks for this car? I've heard the new turbo 4 cylinder caused a lot of controversy... Do you guys feel any significant amount of turbo lag?

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Purists canít seem to let go of the desire for flat 6. 4 cylinder turbo is super nice imo. I have the 2.5L (with S) and donít notice lag at all. You will be very pleased!
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In modern turbo cars there is really no lag like in the old days.

Maximum torque (310 ftlb/420 NM) comes on at 2,100 and fairly flat torque curve up to 4500 RPM and keeps going down to approx 245 ft/lb (330 NM) at the red line.

A couple of guys just measured 356 and 358 lb/ft (485 NM) max torque at the wheels on separate dynos so these cars are remarkably fast.

In the old NA six it was rated as on 273 lbft (370 Nm) at the engine and not until 4750-5800 RPM so you really need to be ringing the old car out to keep it moving.

The new car is easy to drive in the 2000-4500 RPM range and still very fast without going over 4000RPM during run in phase.

The 718 S/GTS and even the base pulls hard from 2000 RPM
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Hey Guys,

So later this year I'm going to get the 718 Cayman S as my first car! I was wondering if there are common issues to watch out for and any tips and tricks for this car? I've heard the new turbo 4 cylinder caused a lot of controversy... Do you guys feel any significant amount of turbo lag?

Thanks a lot guys!

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I'd recommended doing a track day or two to understand the limits of the car, then skid pan training. These cars are very fast and often takes years of driving experience to understand where and how you can make the most of that, so to "fast track" that, definitely get some track time and skid pan training...

Unsure where your based, in the UK there's a load of additional driving qualifications you can do, such as PassPlus, IAMS, AA, response driving.... Would recommend that or equiv..

As for lag, its there in the base, but in Sport Plus, it's not..
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With Porsche over the past year and a half I have had two Turbos' and one NA 6 cylinder with the .2 3RS. Hands down I want a Turbo powered Porsche. The power is amazing and as for the sound I loved the sound of my 718 and I love the sound of my .2 2RS. In fact, I still maintain the 2RS sounds way better than my 3RS but having said that even if opinions differ about the acoustics I personally want a fast powerful car and if there is any competition between power (turbos) and sound, for me, power wins out all the live long day.
After I test drove a 981 Cayman with it's NA 6 Cylinder engine I was going to leave the Porsche dealership uninterested and unimpressed and then I test drove the 718 CS and I wanted one straight away.

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So later this year I'm going to get the 718 Cayman S as my first car!
Your first car? No offense is intended in this question but how much driving experience do you have? Which is to say, if you have lots of experience how is it that you have never owned a car before? Here is why that question matters.

Experience is a far more important issue that anything specific about the car other than that it is wickedly fast enough to get you in trouble. Without it you have no basis of comparison for the power level or the handling capabilities, let alone subtle things like the supposed turbo lag, torque vs. rpm, shift points, understeer/oversteer behavior, mid- vs. front- vs. rear-engine position, tire pressure effects, adjacent lane visibility, line of sight from a lower seating height, how your car affects others' driving behavior, fit and finish, long-term maintenance costs. The point being, someone could describe all these things but they would be meaningless as mere conversation points. For example, just how big/real/significant (choose your adjective) is the difference between the base model and the S?

All that said, even the base Cayman is a superb car with minor quirks overshadowed by awesome performance.

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If you've never owned a na six Porsche, you'll love the 718 and there are those who love it anyway in comparison. There is no discernible turbo lag but neither is there any mpg improvement despite the published figures when you drive it anywhere near normally in real world driving. It's much better than the 987 and 981 in every respect though -- styling, looks, interior, technology, pcm, engine, power, torque, handling, brakes, etc.

Except soundtrack, which with the best will in the world is diametrically different. There are many who say it makes no difference to them or isn't important. Probably less of an issue in a cayman than an open top boxster!. There are a few who say it sounds better but they're either deluding themselves or just being plain ludicrous. Or perhaps they do like it because it sounds rougher and more aggressive, like a Subaru or souped up old rear engine air cooled VW beetle (bug). The sound is not necessarily bad but many of us loved that old whine at gear change and higher revs. But if you've never known it, you won't miss it.

I went from a 987, 981 and 718 to a 991.2 Carrera now because I missed it. Although a turbo six, as opposed to na, the sound is more familiar, not quite as good as the previous na 991.1 but good enough, mainly because it's still a six with two small turbos rather than a four with a single big one. The 718S has a bigger turbo and I think vibrates more and doesn't sound as good as a base 718. My 911 is very nice, but less fun and more a GT than sports car, and I would still trade back to a 718 in a flash if and when they bring out a GT4 or some similar six cylinder version.
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@Xerial I'm kind of envious if you're are just getting a license to drive and jumping into the deep end with a high performance car. If that isn't the case, and you have several years of driving experience, you are still to be envied, IMHO. If you are a rookie at the driving thing, you've probably spent many hours virtually driving a Porsche on your computer. The big difference there is running off the road virtually isn't physically as painful as broken body and car parts. I would echo @Uz718 and @jimmuller on the cautions about the lack of real-world experience. I was smart (IMHO) and nearly mature and almost responsible as a teen, but that didn't stop me from doing incredibly stupid, risky, and clueless things as a new driver. The difference is I was doing them in a $25 1960 VW bug (which I bought myself, thank you very much). Young folk do not need the adrenaline-induced thrills of a high performance car in places where you can kill other people, if not yourself. "I'll be careful" is a good intention. "I'm sorry" means squat to the parent or spouse or child of someone whom you just slaughtered doing something stupid. If you are new to the whole experience, get the high performance driving education BEFORE you get the car! It will be a lot of fun and you will learn enough that when one of your idiot contemporaries try to egg you on to do something stupid (and they will), you will be able to say with authority that they haven't a clue and should grow up a little. BTW, this is coming from someone who was never a parent (as far as he knows) and could be a bit pedantic. Sorry if that's the case.

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So later this year I'm going to get the 718 Cayman S as my first car! I was wondering if there are common issues to watch out
The main issue is that is too fast!


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If you've never owned a na six Porsche, you'll love the 718 and there are those who love it anyway in comparison. There is no discernible turbo lag but neither is there any mpg improvement despite the published figures when you drive it anywhere near normally in real world driving. It's much better than the 987 and 981 in every respect though -- styling, looks, interior, technology, pcm, engine, power, torque, handling, brakes, etc.

Except soundtrack, which with the best will in the world is diametrically different. There are many who say it makes no difference to them or isn't important. Probably less of an issue in a cayman than an open top boxster!. There are a few who say it sounds better but they're either deluding themselves or just being plain ludicrous. Or perhaps they do like it because it sounds rougher and more aggressive, like a Subaru or souped up old rear engine air cooled VW beetle (bug). The sound is not necessarily bad but many of us loved that old whine at gear change and higher revs. But if you've never known it, you won't miss it.

I went from a 987, 981 and 718 to a 991.2 Carrera now because I missed it. Although a turbo six, as opposed to na, the sound is more familiar, not quite as good as the previous na 991.1 but good enough, mainly because it's still a six with two small turbos rather than a four with a single big one. The 718S has a bigger turbo and I think vibrates more and doesn't sound as good as a base 718. My 911 is very nice, but less fun and more a GT than sports car, and I would still trade back to a 718 in a flash if and when they bring out a GT4 or some similar six cylinder version.
...and then there are those of us who walked away with enthusiasm from the 911/6-spd/NA6 concept for the 718/PDK because we believe it is a better integrated performance package. As Porsche2018 has said already, the turbo 6s are a whole different kettle of fish.

The 718 is a daily driver sportscar, nimble in the city, fun in the twisties. OP if this is what you want, it is a fantastic performance package.
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