[sobiloff]

2021 Toyota Supra Now Rated At 382 HP; 255 HP Four-Cylinder Model Comes to America

Good things come to those who wait.

www.thedrive.com

The 2021 base 2.0l model is nearly $10K less expensive (current pricing) and only gives up a tenth in the 0-60 sprint.

The 2021 3.0l model has 32 more HP than the Cayman S, allowing it to reach 60 MPH in half a second sooner than the Cayman S. It's an amazing $16K less expensive (current pricing).

It'll be interesting to see how both of these do at the 'ring, but it looks like Toyota's providing some competition in the two-seater space that we all can benefit from.

 

[cipher]

They basically decided to give it the same power the Z4 M40i has....I never understood why they crippled it from the get go. If I were Toyota, as a good faith move, I’d invite first year owners to come in and get retuned.

 

[cipher]

They basically decided to give it the same power the Z4 M40i has....I never understood why they crippled it from the get go. If I were Toyota, as a good faith move, I’d invite first year owners to come in and get retuned.

It finally makes sense at that price point. It was over priced before.

 

[HooosierDaddy]

Supra's look horrible in pictures and I was sure I was going to hate it, ends up its just not photogenic. I could be seen in one.

 

[InTgr8r]

Supra's look horrible in pictures and I was sure I was going to hate it, ends up its just not photogenic. I could be seen in one.

JMO but I think they're butt ugly IRL as well

 

[AVM]

Nothing personal and not directed at anyone specifically, but I really dislike these '718 versus' threads . . . honestly, does anything compare to the 718?

I know, I am a Porsche Guy and own a 718. However, before I owned my 718 I looked at a lot of the so-called 'comparables.' The M2C was given serious consideration. Great little ride that pulls like a beast and handles decently, but . . .

NOTHING delivers the performance and handling of the 718 - well, except its 981 predecessor and 911 'big brother.' For all the fuss about the 981 soundtrack, very few recognize or acknowledge the 718 has a superior chassis. Regarding the 911, I wonder if Porsche could go back in time whether the 911 would be a mid-engine? Still, I honestly do not know, but suspect the day will come when I make the leap to the 'big brother?' Maybe not?

Personal opinion . . . there is no value in talking about straight line pulls and corresponding 0-60 times in reference to the 718. The 718 is about handling and 'Gs.' The Supra could have 400 lb-ft of torque and do 0-60 faster than a Tesla . . . and it would mean absolutely nothing to me.

AVM

 

[roundtail]

That's an awful lot of significant enhancements for a second year car. Some folks didn't do their homework prior to initial release.

 

[GTS]

This is how the iterative approach to product development from the technology sector is applied in practice to other product types. Early adopters always end up with an inferior product than the mid to late majority.

 

[sobiloff]

Nothing personal and not directed at anyone specifically, but I really dislike these '718 versus' threads . . . honestly, does anything compare to the 718?

Lol, maybe avoid reading the "Versus the Competition" forum? But, yeah, I know what you mean.

NOTHING delivers the performance and handling of the 718 - well, except its 981 predecessor and 911 'big brother.' For all the fuss about the 981 soundtrack, very few recognize or acknowledge the 718 has a superior chassis. Regarding the 911, I wonder if Porsche could go back in time whether the 911 would be a mid-engine?

Agreed, although I'll give Car and Driver credit for having most of the Boxster/Cayman generations in their Top 10 for ages.

Porsche definitely sees the advantage of a mid-engine design—the 911 RSR moves the engine in front of the rear axle. On the modern street versions of the 911, though, I'm very impressed with how they've managed to tame the design and really make it work very well for everything but the most competitive motorsports.

Personal opinion . . . there is no value in talking about straight line pulls and corresponding 0-60 times in reference to the 718. The 718 is about handling and 'Gs.' The Supra could have 400 lb-ft of torque and do 0-60 faster than a Tesla . . . and it would mean absolutely nothing to me.

Yep. For me (and I recognize that this measure has its imperfections as well) I like to compare 'ring lap times.

 

[chester7]

This is how the iterative approach to product development from the technology sector is applied in practice to other product types. Early adopters always end up with an inferior product than the mid to late majority.

This will be particulary true for electric vehicles. I expect the leapfrogs to be large.

 

[GTS18BGTS]

I question why the RSR is a 911 considering the engine placement. Is the body style the determining factor? With no back seat and a mid engine, shouldn't it just be called a Cayman?

 

[Optical TDI]

Torque converter auto transmission ??

 

[chester7]

I question why the RSR is a 911 considering the engine placement. Is the body style the determining factor? With no back seat and a mid engine, shouldn't it just be called a Cayman?

You sir, are correct. Porsche saaving the fragile 911 egos once again. I assumed that Porsche would suffer the same fate as Cadillac did as their old clientele slowly died off. But as PT Barnum said...

 

[AVM]

Lol, maybe avoid reading the "Versus the Competition" forum? But, yeah, I know what you mean.

I know, I know . . . I just cannot help myself. I guess I like to see what other enthusiasts find comparable? I am still waiting for someone to say car 'X' has a better chassis.

AVM

 

[chester7]

I know, I know . . . I just cannot help myself. I guess I like to see what other enthusiasts find comparable? I am still waiting for someone to say car 'X' has a better chassis.

The Lotus Elise may have a better handling chassis, but the ride is so brutal it would not be even close to being a better overall chassis. I'll give feedback on the Elise handling vs. 718 when I find and close on an appropriate Elise.

 

[HooosierDaddy]

I know, I know . . . I just cannot help myself. I guess I like to see what other enthusiasts find comparable? I am still waiting for someone to say car 'X' has a better chassis.

AVM

According to NCD - The C8 Corvette is going to destroy the SuperCar market (including Porsche) and is suppose to change the world as we know it for all time to come (not just in relation to cars). The worldwide game changer that is the C8 corvette is also rumored to make grown men weep and there is a possibility that it just may cure cancer.???

Spoiler

If you frequent the Corvette Forum C8 section you'll know NCD (NewCarDude). I don't recommend visiting either. Nothing good can or will come of it.

I like all cars and not loyal to any one brand or style. I try to keep an open mind that everyones tastes are different and that we need to see it, even things you don't like, as continuing the automotive passion. If we don't encourage the passion it will die.

 

[AVM]

The Lotus Elise may have a better handling chassis, but the ride is so brutal it would not be even close to being a better overall chassis. I'll give feedback on the Elise handling vs. 718 when I find and close on an appropriate Elise.

Chester

This is purely MY opinion. Purely subjective. I might be alone in stating . . . the Elise is hideous looking. I cannot get past the aesthetics to even consider how will it performs. Still, I will tune into your feedback to see if the chassis and overall performance are remotely up to 718 par.

AVM

 

[HooosierDaddy]

The Lotus Elise may have a better handling chassis, but the ride is so brutal it would not be even close to being a better overall chassis. I'll give feedback on the Elise handling vs. 718 when I find and close on an appropriate Elise.

I thought the Evora 400 was more comparable to the 718?

 

[AVM]

According to NCD - The C8 Corvette is going to destroy the SuperCar market (including Porsche) and is suppose to change the world as we know it for all time to come (not just in relation to cars). The worldwide game changer that is the C8 corvette is also rumored to make grown men weep and there is a possibility that it just may cure cancer.???

Spoiler: Spoiler

If you frequent the Corvette Forum C8 section you'll know NCD (NewCarDude). I don't recommend visiting either. Nothing good can or will come of it.

I like all cars and not loyal to any one brand or style. I try to keep an open mind that everyones tastes are different and that we need to see, even things you don't like, as continuing the automotive passion. If we don't encourage the passion it will die.

Hoosier

I honestly cannot tell if you are serious, or not? I mean, I know the C8 is probably a bit over-hyped, but I cannot tell if you are fan or not?

I have not given the C8 any consideration. Why? Not sure, really, as I am sure it is a sweet ride. I have just never been much a Corvette fan.

I guess when it comes to what I would actually consider buying I have become a snobby German sport car guy. Even with that stated, my 'enthusiasm' has dwindled down to Porsche and couple BMW offerings.

After reading your post, I questioned if I am truly a sport car enthusiast, or just a Porsche/BMW enthusiast. . . as far as actual ownership goes.

AVM

 

[chester7]

Chester

This is purely MY opinion. Purely subjective. I might be alone in stating . . . the Elise is hideous looking. I cannot get past the aesthetics to even consider how will it performs. Still, I will tune into your feedback to see if the chassis and overall performance are remotely up to 718 par.

AVM

AVM, you would have been a perfect wingman for me, back in the day. I think we would always pick different women! It would be perfect!