[nineball]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/porsche-panamera-gts-718-cayman-203748402.html




Sports coupe fans can apparently look forward to the 718 Cayman T, which likely brings the idea behind the 911 Carrera T to its smaller sibling. Full details aren't yet clear, but Auto Guide reports that the listing shows the model using a 2.0-liter turbocharged engine but doesn't specify the output. In addition, the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) shows 3,649 pounds (1,655 kilograms), instead of 3,715 pounds (1,685 kg) for the regular 718 Cayman.


If the Cayman T follows its big brother's lead, the model might also come with sporty touches as standard. For example, all 911 Ts get features like Porsche Active Suspension Management, sports exhaust, a shorter gearshift, and shorter gearbox ratios. Rear-wheel steering is an option, too.

 

[porkey]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/porsche-panamera-gts-718-cayman-203748402.html




Sports coupe fans can apparently look forward to the 718 Cayman T, which likely brings the idea behind the 911 Carrera T to its smaller sibling. Full details aren't yet clear, but Auto Guide reports that the listing shows the model using a 2.0-liter turbocharged engine but doesn't specify the output. In addition, the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) shows 3,649 pounds (1,655 kilograms), instead of 3,715 pounds (1,685 kg) for the regular 718 Cayman.


If the Cayman T follows its big brother's lead, the model might also come with sporty touches as standard. For example, all 911 Ts get features like Porsche Active Suspension Management, sports exhaust, a shorter gearshift, and shorter gearbox ratios. Rear-wheel steering is an option, too.

...interesting, thought I heard it all...but that I have not heard. If a "T" version arrives, I think it's doubtful you'd see the rear wheel steering. Unlike the 911s rear engine configuration, which benefits greatly from said rear wheel steering, the 718s mid engine configuration does not require, nor does it need, such a set up. Not quite sure what the timing would be though, as this generation is getting close to the end of its model run. Perhaps a 2020?

 

[Baka1969]

My guess would be a price point that slots between the base and S model. Something like $6,000 USD over the stock 2.0. My guess would be PASM and PTV along with the Sport Chrono plus 19" wheels would become standard for the T. Possibly dual sport exhaust tips to sweeten the pot?

Thinner glass and door straps could be part of the 65lb weight savings.

I'd like to see the gear ratios tightened up. But that's just wishful thinking.

It will most likely be a package model that will offer a small price savings with a slight weight reduction for the perception of exclusivity like the GTS models.

 

[porkey]

My guess would be a price point that slots between the base and S model. Something like $6,000 USD over the stock 2.0. My guess would be PASM and PTV along with the Sport Chrono plus 19" wheels would become standard for the T. Possibly dual sport exhaust tips to sweeten the pot?

Thinner glass and door straps could be part of the 65lb weight savings.

I'd like to see the gear ratios tightened up. But that's just wishful thinking.

It will most likely be a package model that will offer a small price savings with a slight weight reduction for the perception of exclusivity like the GTS models.

...think you described it almost perfectly!

 

[My718isPorsche#5]

Page 131 of the 2017 718 sales book lists curb weight of 3010 lbs. & gross weight as 3715 pounds with PDK. 2944 lbs & 3649 with manual.

 

[ZuffenHouseRules]

Page 131 of the 2017 718 sales book lists curb weight of 3010 lbs. & gross weight as 3715 pounds with PDK. 2944 lbs & 3649 with manual.

So +66 lbs. for PDK, officially. I've calculated slightly less from C&D track sheet weights, but more variables there I reckon.

If the "T Formula" is about a performance-value driver's car with minimal weight, you could get there configuring a base or S minus PDK, power seats and 20" wheels. Those are the three heaviest options, by my guess. Then there are extra speaker-magnets with the upgraded audio hardware. Not T-spec justifiable in my book....the Boxster Spyder actually deletes audio and A/C entirely. Okay starting to sound a bit extreme/silly for non-track real-world driving, but are nylon-strap door pulls and plastic windows any less so?

I have no sense for what kind of weight PASM adds, but I've read that natural/passive suspension communicates more road-feel and suspension feedback to the driver, so a true T formula (as opposed to Porsche parts-bin marketing) might leave out PASM too.

Thus a stripped manual is not only the lightest 718, it may well be the purest evocation of the T philosophy. Though not a car with mass market appeal, understandably.

 

[nineball]

Thinner glass and door straps could be part of the 65lb weight savings.

i would be quite surprised to learn they are making specialty windows just for a single variation of one line. i suppose anything is possible but it doesn;t seem like a cost-effective way to lighten a vehicle when you have 3 ([base, s, gts] and probably soon to be 4 [gt4]) versions of the same platform.

 

[Baka1969]

...think you described it almost perfectly!

i would be quite surprised to learn they are making specialty windows just for a single variation of one line. i suppose anything is possible but it doesn;t seem like a cost-effective way to lighten a vehicle when you have 3 ([base, s, gts] and probably soon to be 4 [gt4]) versions of the same platform.

My prediction for a future 718 Cayman T is based on the new 911 Carrera T.

I wouldn't think a power bump over the base would be something they would do. 66lbs (about 30kg) isn't a tremendous amount of weight shedding. I doubt Porsche would dip too much into the S model to make a T model.

My complete guess would be that they would offer some of the options I mentioned earlier as standard, shed a few pounds, slap a 'T' on the back and a decal on the door, charge about $6,000 USD (saving maybe a grand or two) and tell the world how much better it is over the base. In turn, taking away some of the perceived stigma the base model may have by adding a 'T' title.

I don't see anything wrong with it at all. Anything to attract more people to the brand is always a good thing. If it helps sell more cars, I'm all for it.

That said, I'd be just as happy with a base Cayman and getting the options I wanted. They'd have to do something more unique than door strap pulls to get me to want the T if I wasn't interested in all of whatever the standard equipment will eventually be.

Now a 718 Cayman GT4? That's a completely different story. I can imagine stock 400 hp..... Ahhhhhh

 

[porkey]

...think you described it almost perfectly!

i would be quite surprised to learn they are making specialty windows just for a single variation of one line. i suppose anything is possible but it doesn;t seem like a cost-effective way to lighten a vehicle when you have 3 ([base, s, gts] and probably soon to be 4 [gt4]) versions of the same platform.

My prediction for a future 718 Cayman T is based on the new 911 Carrera T.

I wouldn't think a power bump over the base would be something they would do. 66lbs (about 30kg) isn't a tremendous amount of weight shedding. I doubt Porsche would dip too much into the S model to make a T model.

My complete guess would be that they would offer some of the options I mentioned earlier as standard, shed a few pounds, slap a 'T' on the back and a decal on the door, charge about $6,000 USD (saving maybe a grand or two) and tell the world how much better it is over the base. In turn, taking away some of the perceived stigma the base model may have by adding a 'T' title.

I don't see anything wrong with it at all. Anything to attract more people to the brand is always a good thing. If it helps sell more cars, I'm all for it.

That said, I'd be just as happy with a base Cayman and getting the options I wanted. They'd have to do something more unique than door strap pulls to get me to want the T if I wasn't interested in all of whatever the standard equipment will eventually be.

Now a 718 Cayman GT4? That's a completely different story. I can imagine stock 400 hp..... Ahhhhhh

...nicely stated. I'm not sure a "T" is necessary or will even transpire. But as you pointed out, it could be used as another marketing tool to potentially attract new buyers to the line. A line that is ending soon ( ie., end of the current generation), so it'll be interesting what Porsche has planned for the next generation. Regarding the GT4, rumored at 420 horses! I am eagerly and patiently awaiting the official announcement so I can begin the options/build process on mine!

 

[Baka1969]

...nicely stated. I'm not sure a "T" is necessary or will even transpire. But as you pointed out, it could be used as another marketing tool to potentially attract new buyers to the line. A line that is ending soon ( ie., end of the current generation), so it'll be interesting what Porsche has planned for the next generation. Regarding the GT4, rumored at 420 horses! I am eagerly and patiently awaiting the official announcement so I can begin the options/build process on mine!

I had read about the 420. If I (we) hope for 400 and get 420 then we can be pleasantly happy. However, if we hope for 420 and Porsche gives us 'only' 400, there might be a small tinge of disappointment. When you and I both know a 400 hp Cayman GT4 would be tremendous.

Plus, since Porsche historically understates its power numbers, if it claims 400, they're giving us at least 420 anyway. LoL

Sadly, it's the six-figure prices that will likely prevent me from getting a GT4. I hope you'll be able to get one. I'll be happy just tooling along in a base Cayman.

 

[ZuffenHouseRules]

a 400 hp Cayman GT4 would be tremendous

The 3.8 was rated 400 hp in the 991.1 Carrera S, and 430 hp in the GTS. Both posted quarter-mile ET and trap speed and 0-100 mph identical to the 718 S in C&D track testing (all PDK). Only above 120 mph did the extra peak hp start to show as a few tenths of a second edge.

How is this even possible? Maybe C&D had a particularly quick 718 S, and a particularly slow 991.1 GTS. The 911s had a (very little) bit more weight. Mostly though I think this reflects the real-world advantage of high average-to-peak hp curve in the 718 owing to its high-wide turbo torque plateau.

So it makes sense that the GT4 is getting a stroked, rather than bored, extension of that 3.8 to 4.0. Peak hp rating of the new engine may not dazzle, but the extra torque will give it higher average-to-peak hp thus real-world speed. For those keen on this car, I'd recommend focus not just on the peak hp number but equally, the shape of torque and horsepower curves and ultimately, independent test results on strip and track (recall that the 981 GT4 did not overly impress with raw speed relative to its contemporary 3.8 Carreras or even the 3.4 981 GTS but it was very quick on the track).

 

[porkey]

...nicely stated. I'm not sure a "T" is necessary or will even transpire. But as you pointed out, it could be used as another marketing tool to potentially attract new buyers to the line. A line that is ending soon ( ie., end of the current generation), so it'll be interesting what Porsche has planned for the next generation. Regarding the GT4, rumored at 420 horses! I am eagerly and patiently awaiting the official announcement so I can begin the options/build process on mine!

I had read about the 420. If I (we) hope for 400 and get 420 then we can be pleasantly happy. However, if we hope for 420 and Porsche gives us 'only' 400, there might be a small tinge of disappointment. When you and I both know a 400 hp Cayman GT4 would be tremendous.

Plus, since Porsche historically understates its power numbers, if it claims 400, they're giving us at least 420 anyway. LoL

Sadly, it's the six-figure prices that will likely prevent me from getting a GT4. I hope you'll be able to get one. I'll be happy just tooling along in a base Cayman.

...Thanks...I've been fortunate enough to make it a reality, as well as having good relations with my SA/dealership, and have already placed a downpayment amount (on top of my initial deposit), even though an "official" announcement might not come until early 2019. Regarding your base Cayman, you are driving one of the finest, if not the finest, mid engined sports cars on the road today! So...enjoy!?

 

[Baka1969]

...Thanks...I've been fortunate enough to make it a reality, as well as having good relations with my SA/dealership, and have already placed a downpayment amount (on top of my initial deposit), even though an "official" announcement might not come until early 2019. Regarding your base Cayman, you are driving one of the finest, if not the finest, mid engined sports cars on the road today! So...enjoy!?

I'm not driving a Cayman yet. That's why I signed up here. I will order one towards the end of this year.

Right now I mostly ride a motorcycle (see avatar) daily and drive a 2018 RAV4 AWD Limited Platinum when I need the space or the weather gets rough. I've had other sports cars before. Now I want the Cayman. Something I've been looking forward to for years. Hopefully I get my wish.

For now, I'm whipping it up on the Confuguator. In every combination known to man. Luckily I sort of have an idea how I want it as it will be a daily driver.

As for you pre-ordering the GT4? Excellent idea! I hope you enjoy!

Thank you!

 

[porkey]

...Thanks...I've been fortunate enough to make it a reality, as well as having good relations with my SA/dealership, and have already placed a downpayment amount (on top of my initial deposit), even though an "official" announcement might not come until early 2019. Regarding your base Cayman, you are driving one of the finest, if not the finest, mid engined sports cars on the road today! So...enjoy!?

I'm not driving a Cayman yet. That's why I signed up here. I will order one towards the end of this year.

Right now I mostly ride a motorcycle (see avatar) daily and drive a 2018 RAV4 AWD Limited Platinum when I need the space or the weather gets rough. I've had other sports cars before. Now I want the Cayman. Something I've been looking forward to for years. Hopefully I get my wish.

For now, I'm whipping it up on the Confuguator. In every combination known to man. Luckily I sort of have an idea how I want it as it will be a daily driver.

As for you pre-ordering the GT4? Excellent idea! I hope you enjoy!

Thank you!

...You're welcome! Rode dirt bikes/enduros since I was 5 years old but unfortunately I could only fit comfortably up to a 175 enduro! Your BMW would be my dream bike if I was a bit taller. I know some can be lowered but I think the center of gravity would be too high for me. Now I ride a Road King Classic but I do miss the ability to go off road and explore. Looking forward to photos when you get your Cayman. Also send some of the BMW when you get the chance. Regarding the GT4, I wasn't taking any chances, so didn't mind placing an early downpayment.

 

[Baka1969]

...You're welcome! Rode dirt bikes/enduros since I was 5 years old but unfortunately I could only fit comfortably up to a 175 enduro! Your BMW would be my dream bike if I was a bit taller. I know some can be lowered but I think the center of gravity would be too high for me. Now I ride a Road King Classic but I do miss the ability to go off road and explore. Looking forward to photos when you get your Cayman. Also send some of the BMW when you get the chance. Regarding the GT4, I wasn't taking any chances, so didn't mind placing an early downpayment.

Putting down a few bucks to assure a spot is a good idea.

In many ways a 400+ lb Cayman seems like it would be more fun than an equally powerful Carrera S.

I wanted to address what was mentioned earlier in this thread. The one thing the NA flat 6 will offer than, say, a turbo can, is the natural flat 6 will likely need to be wound up to get into its power band. Which can certainly be a thrill.

My father had a Porsche 944 in the 80s. That 4 needed to be revved high to get its best. So I understand how that works. However, I've owned V8 American muscle with low end grunt. Which is why I like the current 718 flat 4 lineup. Low-end torque!

I don't have a BMW now. That's my next bike. After the Cayman. For a number of reasons. I have been riding street motorcycles for over 20 years. Dirt bikes and mopeds when I was a kid.

I currently ride a Sportster 1200C. One which I daily ride and have taken all over the country on multi-thousand mile trips. I love riding. Unfortunately, age is catching up with me and I need a (much) more comfortable motorcycle. None of the offerings from Harley Davidson really accomplish that. Plus their touring bikes are way too heavy.

The BMW R1200RT is 300 lbs lighter than a Harley touring bike and is much more powerful. Not to mention all the technology they have to offer.

Back on topic of the OP. The Cayman T should be an interesting addition. My question is how unique or special will it really be compared to a base Cayman? Would I want it over a base Cayman that I option myself? Or would I want the "exclusivity" of the T? It's difficult to speculate right now. Especially since it's not likely to have any power advantage.

The Cayman GT4 could possibly be one of the best Porsche sports cars over made. You lucky *******! lol

 

[porkey]

...You're welcome! Rode dirt bikes/enduros since I was 5 years old but unfortunately I could only fit comfortably up to a 175 enduro! Your BMW would be my dream bike if I was a bit taller. I know some can be lowered but I think the center of gravity would be too high for me. Now I ride a Road King Classic but I do miss the ability to go off road and explore. Looking forward to photos when you get your Cayman. Also send some of the BMW when you get the chance. Regarding the GT4, I wasn't taking any chances, so didn't mind placing an early downpayment.

Putting down a few bucks to assure a spot is a good idea.

In many ways a 400+ lb Cayman seems like it would be more fun than an equally powerful Carrera S.

I wanted to address what was mentioned earlier in this thread. The one thing the NA flat 6 will offer than, say, a turbo can, is the natural flat 6 will likely need to be wound up to get into its power band. Which can certainly be a thrill.

My father had a Porsche 944 in the 80s. That 4 needed to be revved high to get its best. So I understand how that works. However, I've owned V8 American muscle with low end grunt. Which is why I like the current 718 flat 4 lineup. Low-end torque!

I don't have a BMW now. That's my next bike. After the Cayman. For a number of reasons. I have been riding street motorcycles for over 20 years. Dirt bikes and mopeds when I was a kid.

I currently ride a Sportster 1200C. One which I daily ride and have taken all over the country on multi-thousand mile trips. I love riding. Unfortunately, age is catching up with me and I need a (much) more comfortable motorcycle. None of the offerings from Harley Davidson really accomplish that. Plus their touring bikes are way too heavy.

The BMW R1200RT is 300 lbs lighter than a Harley touring bike and is much more powerful. Not to mention all the technology they have to offer.

Back on topic of the OP. The Cayman T should be an interesting addition. My question is how unique or special will it really be compared to a base Cayman? Would I want it over a base Cayman that I option myself? Or would I want the "exclusivity" of the T? It's difficult to speculate right now. Especially since it's not likely to have any power advantage.

The Cayman GT4 could possibly be one of the best Porsche sports cars over made. You lucky *******! lol

...Part of me says the "T" isn't necessary and the other part of me, that craves "exclusivity" or "uniqueness", in addition to performance, says otherwise. The formula seems to work for the 911. With the current gen ending, perhaps an exclusive 2019 run on the Cayman "T"? I think if done properly, its "exclusivity" will attract buyers in it's presumably limited run. Off topic....I hear you. My Road King Classic, or as I proudly state, my FLHRCI, tips the scale over 800lbs fully laiden. Interestingly, I find my touring seat more comfortable than quite a few BMW's I've tried, but those were mostly their on road/off road versions.

 

[Baka1969]

...Part of me says the "T" isn't necessary and the other part of me, that craves "exclusivity" or "uniqueness", in addition to performance, says otherwise. The formula seems to work for the 911. With the current gen ending, perhaps an exclusive 2019 run on the Cayman "T"? I think if done properly, its "exclusivity" will attract buyers in it's presumably limited run. Off topic....I hear you. My Road King Classic, or as I proudly state, my FLHRCI, tips the scale over 800lbs fully laiden. Interestingly, I find my touring seat more comfortable than quite a few BMW's I've tried, but those were mostly their on road/off road versions.

The aftermarket is a wonderful thing. Even if a backrest is wanted.

What the BMW also offers over any Harley is suspension travel. Which isn't just for off roads. I live in Philadelphia. Who's road surfaces can swallow large craft.

I've ridden the RK on many occasions. I like the bike. For what it is. Funny enough, it's only marginally more comfortable than my bike. Yet the heft is much more. Which isn't great in urban stop-and-go daily traffic.

Another added benefit to the BMW is it's agility. It handles closer to a sports bike and feels better than a sport tourer. The R1200RT is a Swiss Army Knife!
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The 991.2 Carrera is much closer to the end of its run than the Cayman is. As the 992 is just around the corner. As we all know, the 718 was introduced in 2017 and will only be in its 3rd year. Would that make the Cayman T special enough in the middle of the product run?

Who knows?

Will it be a great Porsche? Absolutely! As long as they refrain from all that Alcantara!

 

[porkey]

...Part of me says the "T" isn't necessary and the other part of me, that craves "exclusivity" or "uniqueness", in addition to performance, says otherwise. The formula seems to work for the 911. With the current gen ending, perhaps an exclusive 2019 run on the Cayman "T"? I think if done properly, its "exclusivity" will attract buyers in it's presumably limited run. Off topic....I hear you. My Road King Classic, or as I proudly state, my FLHRCI, tips the scale over 800lbs fully laiden. Interestingly, I find my touring seat more comfortable than quite a few BMW's I've tried, but those were mostly their on road/off road versions.

The aftermarket is a wonderful thing. Even if a backrest is wanted.

What the BMW also offers over any Harley is suspension travel. Which isn't just for off roads. I live in Philadelphia. Who's road surfaces can swallow large craft.

I've ridden the RK on many occasions. I like the bike. For what it is. Funny enough, it's only marginally more comfortable than my bike. Yet the heft is much more. Which isn't great in urban stop-and-go daily traffic.

Another added benefit to the BMW is it's agility. It handles closer to a sports bike and feels better than a sport tourer. The R1200RT is a Swiss Army Knife!
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The 991.2 Carrera is much closer to the end of its run than the Cayman is. As the 992 is just around the corner. As we all know, the 718 was introduced in 2017 and will only be in its 3rd year. Would that make the Cayman T special enough in the middle of the product run?

Who knows?

Will it be a great Porsche? Absolutely! As long as they refrain from all that Alcantara!

...Will see. Depends upon release dates. My understanding is that the GT4 comes towards the end of the model cycle, which would put the last of the current gen 718 at 2020/21 or so? I keep forgeting I still have a bit of a wait on my GT4! Nice description of the R1200RT (always liked a good Swiss Army Knife!). Oh...small world. I was born in Philadelphia (Temple University Hospital) and spent the early part of my childhood there (Germantown). Mom and Dad still live about 2 hours north of Philly.

 

[Baka1969]

...Will see. Depends upon release dates. My understanding is that the GT4 comes towards the end of the model cycle, which would put the last of the current gen 718 at 2020/21 or so? I keep forgeting I still have a bit of a wait on my GT4! Nice description of the R1200RT (always liked a good Swiss Army Knife!). Oh...small world. I was born in Philadelphia (Temple University Hospital) and spent the early part of my childhood there (Germantown). Mom and Dad still live about 2 hours north of Philly.

I was born in Philly. I've lived all around the US and ended back here about 10 years ago. I guess Dorothy was right? lol.


If you haven't read it already:

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche/2018-porsche-718-cayman-gt4-rs-ar170443.html

 

[porkey]

...Will see. Depends upon release dates. My understanding is that the GT4 comes towards the end of the model cycle, which would put the last of the current gen 718 at 2020/21 or so? I keep forgeting I still have a bit of a wait on my GT4! Nice description of the R1200RT (always liked a good Swiss Army Knife!). Oh...small world. I was born in Philadelphia (Temple University Hospital) and spent the early part of my childhood there (Germantown). Mom and Dad still live about 2 hours north of Philly.

I was born in Philly. I've lived all around the US and ended back here about 10 years ago. I guess Dorothy was right? lol.


If you haven't read it already:

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/porsche/2018-porsche-718-cayman-gt4-rs-ar170443.html

....Thanks..read it and just about every other article on the upcoming GT4 probably 4 fold! No offense, but I found my oasis along Southern Coastal Maine and will not be returning to Philly! Now,
back on topic...will be interesting what Porsche will do with the Cayman "T", assuming it transpires, per the NHTSA rumors...