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Does anyone own both? I love my base 718B 6MT, and it's got me wondering about possibly adding a 911 to the stable. Definitely not looking at the Turbo or Turbo S, but possibly a very lightly used 991.2 C2S. For those who have owned or driven both, how would you compare the two cars?

I love the 718's purity (perfect size, amazing handling), but it seems a bit redundant to go out and get, say, a Cayman GTS.

718 fans, which 911 models do you prefer, and why?
 

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Sorry, I do not mean to highjack your thread, but I do have an opinion. I have not been shy about my love of Chevy V8 power and sound having owned numerous Corvettes, Camaros, Chevelles and Novas over the years. However... A lot changed a little over a year ago. We bought my wife a base 718 Boxster. I really disliked the sound from the beginning, it sounded like my friends 62 VW bug from high school. Over the past year it has really grown on me very slowly but it did grow on me. When I started looking for excuses to drive it, I knew something was going on. Long story long, I recently sold my beloved 67 Vette in order to buy a new Cayman GTS.

When I speced out the GTS I was close to $100,000. I really had to take a hard look at a 911 Carrera at this point. I found that I just liked the loaded Cayman better than a very low opinioned Carrera. I liked the Cayman’s dual trunks more than the small back seat of Carrera. I liked the mid engine design more than the rear engine design. The 365HP GTS is almost even with the 370HP 911. In the end I found the Cayman GTS was the perfect car for me over the Carrera. I have no problem having a Boxster and a Cayman in the same household. Pick the car that is best for you. Thanks for hearing me out and good luck with your choice.
 

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I had a 996 for a short period of time way back and i get the same feeling every time i try a 911, it feels like a bus.
A very quick bus but still a bus, it does not have the agility and i dont like the interior.
Ad the price, a base 911 cost about the same as a nearly fully loaded
Imho.....
 

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Does anyone own both? I love my base 718B 6MT, and it's got me wondering about possibly adding a 911 to the stable. Definitely not looking at the Turbo or Turbo S, but possibly a very lightly used 991.2 C2S. For those who have owned or driven both, how would you compare the two cars?

I love the 718's purity (perfect size, amazing handling), but it seems a bit redundant to go out and get, say, a Cayman GTS.

718 fans, which 911 models do you prefer, and why?

I had a 996 for a short period of time way back and i get the same feeling every time i try a 911, it feels like a bus.
A very quick bus but still a bus, it does not have the agility and i dont like the interior.
Ad the price, a base 911 cost about the same as a nearly fully loaded
Imho.....
I agree completely with johan I test drove a Base 2017 911 and a highly specced 2017 911 C2S with the Sports Package and they felt like family Sports Cars......and that is the reason I skipped over the base or S models and went to the 2018 991.2 GT3, and now the 2019 991.2 GT3-RS. My comment to the SA after the 911 test drive (Base & C2S), as above, the 911s/non-GT cars are "family sports cars" not race cars. Though, if you want a family car that is somewhat Sporty then the 911s maybe be right for you, and you can always keep your 718 to tear up the streets.
 

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Almost impulse traded my 718CS for a 911C2S a coupe of weeks ago while at the dealer for an unrelated issue. My total seat time in a 911 is 15 minutes, so take my perspective with a grain of salt. The 718S is more nimble and engaging, the C2S feels large and 'muscular' in comparison. The 911S I drove was optioned towards the performance rather than the luxury side. I had the good sense to take a breath and go home before swapping for the $50,000 'upgrade.' With a couple of days to think about it, a couple of tenths 0 - 60 and an increase in top speed from 177 to 190 wasn't going to change my enjoyment of the car for DD, spirited but sane back road driving, and HPDE. The C2S was a spectacular car, but not in any meaningful way going to change the ownership experience compared to my 718S.

I agree with Porsche 2018 above - the Cayman as a sports car is more fun and has much more performance than one can use on public roads. Mid-engine platform makes it inherently more forgiving for beginner track use. Lower end 911 models have more of the luxury/GT feel (and offer the vestigial rear seats if you need it for the kids). If (more like when) I turn into a serious track junkie, it will be a GT3. If I wanted a 4 season DD, a Carrera 4S would have fit the bill as a single car. I have a middle-aged Audi A6 for winter/DD/full house driving.

Again, this is the perspective of a noob - long time fan, but first time Porsche owner, four months with my Cayman S, one drive in a 911.
 

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Ok I have a 718 Cayman S now..

Used to lease a 911 - Carrera 4S.

Carrera is more practical in a pinch back seats for kids / and easy to throw things back there...great car.
But to me there is no better feeling that the Cayman S which is light and sporty...your really engaged in the Cayman/Boxster. 911 was great but when I went for new...$30k for less "Feel of Sportiness" made me reason on the Cayman.

But I have to say the 911 was a better smooth highway car...not as bumpy or sporty.
 
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Ok I have a 718 Cayman S now..

Used to lease a 911 - Carrera 4S.

Carrera is more practical in a pinch back seats for kids / and easy to throw things back there...great car.
But to me there is no better feeling that the Cayman S which is light and sporty...your really engaged in the Cayman/Boxster. 911 was great but when I went for new...$30k for less "Feel of Sportiness" made me reason on the Cayman.

But I have to say the 911 was a better smooth highway car...not as bumpy or sporty.
That is what I feel too.

I tried a 2014 991Targa 4 when trying out the Cayman. The extra expense of the 911 just didn't justify the fact that the Cayman is the more satisfying car to drive quickly, not as quick in a straight line but much better in the twisty bits and more composed on our terrible road surfaces too.

That said somebody the other day said "nice 911 mate" to me when I was getting in the Cayman so most people don't know the difference from the outside anyway.
 

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Interesting perspectives, folks... Thanks for the replies. What all of you are saying is pretty much what my instincts were telling me. I love the Boxster precisely for its handling and size, and I prefer 2 seats instead of 4, to be sure. The sheer size of the later 911s has always been a turnoff for me, and the main reason I enjoy the Boxster so much is for its agility on curvy back roads.

There may be a Cayman GTS in my future, then. I suppose what I should do is test drive a new Cayman GTS vs. a Carrera base and S. Decisions, decisions ?
 

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That is what I feel too.

I tried a 2014 991Targa 4 when trying out the Cayman. The extra expense of the 911 just didn't justify the fact that the Cayman is the more satisfying car to drive quickly, not as quick in a straight line but much better in the twisty bits and more composed on our terrible road surfaces too.

That said somebody the other day said "nice 911 mate" to me when I was getting in the Cayman so most people don't know the difference from the outside anyway.

It have happened to me to a couple of times to.
Or the it have been "oh a new 911 model, looks awesome"
Oh well :)
 

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I think everyone gets the 911 bug. It is after-all THE Porsche in terms of notoriety.

I have not driven a 911 yet but I really need to because I always look at them. Everyone else who I speak to though says the same line. "The 911 shoots out of corners like a rocket, it's tail happy but you learn to control it. The Cayman/Boxsters though are so balanced it just gives you confidence on the track."

It's well known that the mid engine cars will never be given their full potential. Even the GT4 will be neutered compared to it's 911 counter-part. If Porsche really didn't care and just pushed out a mid vs rear all out, I have a feeling the mid engine would win.

The 911 seems like a balance of sports car and DD duty which is a step closer to sports car compared with the Panamera. Different segments, but between the new 718 and used 991.2, value is currently in the 718 IMHO. Interior is relatively the same and the drive is just more DD or more track.
 

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Moving in a different direction...I have a 2018 Cayman (base, manual, 9000 miles) and a 2015 Macan S (premium plus, pdk, etc., 30000 miles) which is a fabulous vehicle. Love them both and got them new for a combined price that was about the same as a base 911. The Cayman is great for local roads (very twisty) and the Macan is great for longer trips and shopping. My son has a manual 996 that I have driven quite a bit, but I'll stand with the 718 in nearly every aspect except the 996 sound is superior. The 718 does sound kind of like my 1961 VW bug, which is fine with me. BTW the Macan sound fills that gap for me.
 

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I'm old... I've owned 2 911"s...I was looking at buying a c4s last year ...I like the wide body (which my wife loved too) till I test drove a 718cs....the 911 is iconic...by all means buy one and you"ll never look back and regret not having one.
 

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I'm with Lamb, an old man here. I was on my second vette when I first test drove Porsches. I started the test driving a couple of years ago with a 981 Cayman, which was sweet but didn't have the power of the vette, then tried out the 911 Carrera S, which I liked for handling and tight feel but didn't blow me away in comparison to the vette in terms of power (although ride and handling were superb). I decided to start at the top -- in late 2016, I ordered my 2017 911 Turbo S without ever having driven one, had ridiculously high expectations in terms of power and handling -- and the actual car exceeded them! I kept the vette at that time, then still unwilling to part with it. The power of the TTS was and is amazing, literally scary quick and fast, I didn't even attempt launch control until I was long past the break-in mileage. As I continued to experience the 911 and the better-priced but inferior quality of the vette (as well as the PITA removable roof) last year, I was emotionally moving towards 718 territory. When ordering for the 718 GTS was announced, I was 100% in. I pre-traded my vette on a 718 Boxster GTS, and wound up getting my dealer's first allocation. I took delivery April 5, and despite April having been a record-cold month, with many days too cold for the summer tires, I have over 1,500 miles on it and, once again, even at these ridiculous prices, Porsche has exceeded my expectations. I drive the 718 every chance I get, while the TTS often sits (and I had put 7,200 miles on it last year in 7 months). The 911 TTS and the 718 BGTS are two totally different cars -- and I love them each for their special qualities. The TTS is ridiculously powerful, and the PDK with the twin-turbo six performs like artificial intelligence at its finest. The 718 is raunchy, speaks, yells, rasps, snaps crackles and pops, is perfectly balanced, and feels as nimble as if it weighed 1,000 lbs less than it does. The experience in the 911 is one of "sweet mediated road feel", hard to describe, compared with the 718. The 718 provides a more visceral, traditional, old school sports car experience, less mediated between road and driver, yet the suspension has just enough comfortable support to let me know that it's there and I'm in good hands. If I had only the 718, I'd crave what the TTS has; when I had the TTS, I craved what the 718 has. Now I feel enormously lucky to be able to have both. Without having experienced this, I'd find it hard "objectively" to justify the outrageous cost of these two cars; having experienced it, I have no trouble at all understanding how and why nuts like us spend this kind of money on cars.
 

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I was considering selling my Boxster S & getting a new 911 S until I saw on you-tube that you have to remove the rear bumper cover to change the air filter. I like to do maintenance & I'm afraid I might scratch the paint removing it. The only thing I don't like about my 718 Cayman is the interior noise when cruising 80 mph +. Could it be the pirellis? What year did Porsche start putting the air filter behind the bumper?
 

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911 C2S to 718BS

911 C2S to 718Bs
I had an '09 C2S cab, MT6, sport chrono, just about every option that I purchased in '11 using my '07 BS MT6 as a trade. The BS was great for twisty roads but long highway stretches were tiring since there was no PASM and the seats were just not that comfortable. The C2S was much more suited to the long trips that I took for business. Last Fall my wife wanted a fun car to drive while waiting for a Tesla Model 3 (not that her '14 328i was a slug). After trying a '17 Miata (which couldn't accommodate my massive 5'8" frame comfortably), I suggested that she try my C2S. She felt like it was too big and that she couldn't control it on fast curves. After trying multiple 718 variants we ordered a 718BS in December 2017 and traded the C2S as the down payment since the dealer gave us around $7K more than any other local place would offer. Bad timing on our part as the factory wasn't producing anything but 718GTS models. Eventually our salesperson found an '18 BS, MT6 with all of the options we spec'd except PASM. We got 5% off that car and saved sales tax with our trade. The car drives smoothly enough on 20" wheels and the 14 way ventilated seats fit each of us better than the C2S did. Takes curves much better and seems faster on the straightaways. The back-up camera makes parking a snap and the LCA makes up for minimally limited vision issues. It even gets better mileage than either one of our prior P-cars.
 

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A postscript to my post #15 above: I just got back from a spirited (though break-in-period limited) drive on 2-lane country roads. What this car does with 4 cylinders is wonderful -- it's so aptly designated 718!
 

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A postscript to my post #15 above: I just got back from a spirited (though break-in-period limited) drive on 2-lane country roads. What this car does with 4 cylinders is wonderful -- it's so aptly designated 718!
Absolutely true but even with over 7K miles I feel it's not fully broken in. I say that because the engine, handling and sound continues to improve. I once read, Porsches are not fully broken in until they reach at least 20K miles.
 
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