Well just officially pulled the trigger yesterday on 718 Gts and just waiting for delivery. Then my salesperson from Bmw just called and said ordering banks are open For new competition m2... now I have serious buyers remorse unfortunately, any thoughts?? Has anyone else been waiting or looking forward to new m2? Thanks
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I always liked the look of the M series BMWs. But I always dreamed of owning a Porsche. You made the right decision. BTW check this link out: https://www.audiworld.com/forums/s4-b6-b7-platforms-discussion-49/pecking-order-cars-german-autobahn-2554076/
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If you want the BMW M2 more than it's okay to change directions. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but personally I prefer the GTS more but you have to choose what you want. Better to change your mind now than take a hit on resale of the GTS down the road. The first year loss on resale is not pretty.
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Neither is paying sales tax on full price of 2 new cars within a year. And the marginal price-performance cost is astronomical in terms of $-per-added-hp
Based on post-history, I think OP has already gone S>GTS(on order) after just 3 months. That's why I was surprised. If anything in this case I'd recommend cancel the GTS order, live with the S for at least a year, then re-evaluate. But....these are cars/power/speed we're talking about and there is a certain bliss in surrendering to emotion. What's the reasonable cost of that? I don't know....
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I am sure that thee is a world of difference between an M2 and the E46 M3 I owned for a few years (bought new). They are two different cars. It all depends on what your specific requirements really are. For me, there was and is no confusion............which is why I ordered my 5th Cayman in May.
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Any half decent sales rep can get into a BMW.......
A Porsche is an aspiration that should be fulfilled if you have the opportunity.
A Porsche is an aspiration that should be fulfilled if you have the opportunity.
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...when I responded earlier, I don't think I had the full picture. If I understand correctly, your were thinking of upgrading from an S to a GTS? Actually committed to the ordering process. My first assumption would be you were pleased with the Cayman...the whole package/experience, however, you yearn for the M2 and now question your decision. I've been particularly passionate regarding the Cayman with its mid engine layout, performance, design. A near perfect sports car in my opinion. And Porsches history, the heritage that goes with each car, the quality, the craftsmanship...all driving forces for me. The M2...great car. But I consider these two in different classes, although similar in performance (I personally feel the GTS will outperform it). But M sports has it's own history, it's own heritage and a tremendous following as well. My gut feeling is your passion is with the M2. I say then, get out of the GTS order and follow your passion. Get the M2. I'm following my passion to the 2019 GT4!
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I suppose it's a sign of the times that one considers and M2C and Cayman at the same time. There really isn't much choice in the segment these days. The Ms are multipurpose, the Caymans not so much. While I considered an M2 this go round (wondering as well if it was worth waiting for the M2C), despite some increase in practicality, it wasn't for me. I'm sure the new engine is lovely (I wasn't all that impressed with the N55), but the problem is, the manual is still lugging around 3600#s (1633kg), over a quarter ton more than the equivalent CS. When it became clear that the Competition was gaining weight, by far my biggest gripe with the car (well, that and a 13.7G tank. And the steering, which I just never connected with), the decision was made.
The whole M2 exercise feels far less engineered than the Porsche offerings; more of a convenient collection from the parts bin rather than a truly focused performance car. Regardless, there are any number of reasons to prefer it over the Porsche... lower entry fee, running costs, back seats, not to mention just plain old driving something different if you've been in a Cayman for a while. But, for me, driving pleasure, which really is what these things are all about, isn't one of them. Its all too easy to fall for the newest shiny toy, but, if deep down thats really where the sense of regret stems from, I'd advise canceling the GTS order and sitting on your thumbs at least until we hear what the GT4 will shape up to be. For me, that's the only shadow on the horizon that represents anything for my CS to be worried about.
The whole M2 exercise feels far less engineered than the Porsche offerings; more of a convenient collection from the parts bin rather than a truly focused performance car. Regardless, there are any number of reasons to prefer it over the Porsche... lower entry fee, running costs, back seats, not to mention just plain old driving something different if you've been in a Cayman for a while. But, for me, driving pleasure, which really is what these things are all about, isn't one of them. Its all too easy to fall for the newest shiny toy, but, if deep down thats really where the sense of regret stems from, I'd advise canceling the GTS order and sitting on your thumbs at least until we hear what the GT4 will shape up to be. For me, that's the only shadow on the horizon that represents anything for my CS to be worried about.
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...hmmm...I think you may have found your true passion. With that said, and doubts gone...I can comfortably say congratulations. Honestly, you won't be disappointed!
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Amen to that!
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Has anyone seen the latest press photos of the M2 CPT?
To me it looks like it has been punched in the face and the grill is all swollen up. I did prefer the softer lines on the older M2
The S55 motor in the M2 CPT is certainly a step up in performance, though not sure about the sound, but then we are on a 718 forum so who cares.
I thought it would be quicker with all that extra power and torque but its 0-100 time of 4.2 sec suggests it has trouble getting the power down like the M3/M4 despite coming standard with a new LSD.
The M2 CPT in general seems to have been optioned up to the level of the M3/M4 CPT which is what I think was missing before and in my experience based options on M cars and BMWs in general seem to be a lot better than Porsche where you have to pay for everything. I also really like the electronic DCT/auto gear shift in the BMWs. The PDK shifter still seems kind of clunky and old school from the 70s, but certainly does the job. Not sure why they haven't borrowed something from Audi and just change the shape. :|
When I drove the M2 and M3 at a track I did feel that the M2 was a better balance car and a good seating position and size, although it is not much lighter than the M4 and bit slower.
However, when compared with the Cayman S/GTS the 718 is a step up unless you prefer the M2/3/4 balance and perhaps like to drift.
At the end of the day I think the M2 is the better value car especially if you need the back seat but the Cayman S/GTS is the better drivers car, given you have PTV, aside from having the Porsche looks which these days I think is hard to beat.
Enjoy your Cayman GTS. After my last test drive for a couple of hours I also hope to get into one soon!
To me it looks like it has been punched in the face and the grill is all swollen up. I did prefer the softer lines on the older M2
The S55 motor in the M2 CPT is certainly a step up in performance, though not sure about the sound, but then we are on a 718 forum so who cares.
I thought it would be quicker with all that extra power and torque but its 0-100 time of 4.2 sec suggests it has trouble getting the power down like the M3/M4 despite coming standard with a new LSD.
The M2 CPT in general seems to have been optioned up to the level of the M3/M4 CPT which is what I think was missing before and in my experience based options on M cars and BMWs in general seem to be a lot better than Porsche where you have to pay for everything. I also really like the electronic DCT/auto gear shift in the BMWs. The PDK shifter still seems kind of clunky and old school from the 70s, but certainly does the job. Not sure why they haven't borrowed something from Audi and just change the shape. :|
When I drove the M2 and M3 at a track I did feel that the M2 was a better balance car and a good seating position and size, although it is not much lighter than the M4 and bit slower.
However, when compared with the Cayman S/GTS the 718 is a step up unless you prefer the M2/3/4 balance and perhaps like to drift.
At the end of the day I think the M2 is the better value car especially if you need the back seat but the Cayman S/GTS is the better drivers car, given you have PTV, aside from having the Porsche looks which these days I think is hard to beat.
Enjoy your Cayman GTS. After my last test drive for a couple of hours I also hope to get into one soon!
Feels like a very credible view, if you own both! I test drove an M2 and loved it, it reminded me of my M4 but wasn't trying to put me in a hedge, saying that it's suspension was still lively! The competition will have that great engine, but it struggles to get the power down and the delivery isn't as progressive as in my CGTS.
As many have said you cant go wrong either way but I have no regrets. The CGTS was designed from the ground up to be a sports car. That's one thing you can't say about the M2...
As many have said you cant go wrong either way but I have no regrets. The CGTS was designed from the ground up to be a sports car. That's one thing you can't say about the M2...
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Exactly my tought =)
This is an amazing thread. I came across this forum after I took delivery of a pre-owned 2019 718 Cayman S yesterday. I also have a M2 comp as my daily. Both are great cars. Get one or both, either way, both are great toys. Cheers!!!
Maybe a pic of M2comp v. 982 might help. Happy Thanksgiving y’all!!
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