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Hi all,

I have been considering selling my Boxster T over the last week or so, and have contacted a few independent specialists to see if they would be interested in my car.

I had an interesting (albiet rather deflating) conversation with one of these specialists today who advised that they weren’t really interested in the T models as most buyers don’t “get” them as they are too close to the S models in pricing but lack the larger engine.

My logic when buying the T was it being a more limited run model would be more sought after, thus be more desirable and hold it’s value better.

This logic seems to have be wrong on my part, and I can only conclude other dealerships have the same view as they haven’t even bothered to return my calls.

Has anyone else experienced this?
 

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Porsche has always had this issue with other models like the T, in the short run. In the long run, the situation is reversed and these models are sometimes really appreciated and valued later.

This car is probably too new still for that effect. Right now, yes, it's a car pointed at enthusiasts, and most buyers are not really enthusiasts.
 

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Rightly or wrongly the 4 cylinder 718/982 cars have received negative press in the UK. That's why values of the 981 6 cylinder models have remained very strong in comparison.
 

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Unfortunate to hear but not surprising. It's not just near 718 CS pricing, it's really not that far off from GTS 4.0 pricing and given the market, people either want that or the 2.5 with fewer performance options they'd realistically never leverage anyway.
 

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Yes, the press has been horrible for the T because loaded they are too close to the base S. I ordered mine with few options, not for resale but it makes more sense. Most North American's don't get the car, but it is a special variant and the one to have if you are in the base range. I knew it wouldn't be an investment. Yes, the things that make the T special are special to very few people. For example, I was thrilled it had the GT4 shifter and cloth seats. Everything is blacked out. Most Americans prefer leather because it signifies premium, chrome is good here and many are getting automatics so the shifter doesn't matter. To make matters worse, the reviewers have gone on this follow the lead cattle bandwagon about the price compared to a base S without doing their homework. You cannot get the Gt4 shifter in the S, you cannot get the cloth seats in the S, you cannot get black interior trim without going to carbon fiber, you cannot get the cool wheels only black ones which I don't like. So yes, you have a very special base cayman and should look at it like that. I will be joining your sad club soon too except that the T is special to me even if the masses don't get it. I buy plain black Copa Mundial soccer cleats that look boring but they are made of kangaroo leather that is supple, requires no break-in, doesn't harden when gets wet and is light. Guys show up with plastic cleats that look like they skinned Nemo and put it on their shoes. To them, my black cleats are boring but I know that they are great tools for playing soccer. I wish one of these reviewers would put their money where their disinformed mouth is and truly compare a Cayman T manual vs a base Cayman S with no options. That would be great.
 

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I have a T coming AND I spent enough on options to push the price to $80k. I couldn't care less what the market would give cause I won't be selling. Whenever I looked at configuring an S or even a GTS 4.0 I didn't like the selections versus the T. The T is very special in my mind. I drove both a base and a GTS 4.0 at PEC Atlanta and honestly the 6 cylinder wasn't worth the extra $20k for me. I love having all the sporty trim and chassis bits while having an engine that better matches the gearing and that I can actually push without losing my license.
I guess only time will tell if there will be a greater market for the T, but for me that will remain moot.
 

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Hi all,


I had an interesting (albiet rather deflating) conversation with one of these specialists today who advised that they weren’t really interested in the T models as most buyers don’t “get” them as they are too close to the S models in pricing but lack the larger engine.

LOL. When they are selling it, they will tell the potential purchaser the EXACT opposite. They're salespeople. Buy low, sell high. I would have been more surprised if they had agreed with you :D
 

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Now add the following to a S that is standard to a T:

20" Rims
Wheels Painted Satin Platinum
Roll Over Bars Painted
SPASM
PTV
Sports Chrono
Tail Pipes in Black
Plus the things you can't get (non-alcantara sportex seat centers, GT shifter, cloth handles)
Plus the difference between base price

In Canadian that's $15000+

Is that close? :D
 

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Try a few different retailers. Stock is still quite low and many of the larger volume ones would gladly take it off your hand and at a fair price. Have you done a WeBuyAnyCar check to see what the current value is? I've found them to be a good barometer in regards to trade in value.

Lastly, have a read on this forum and others where the T is concerned. There are quite a few with deposits who are hoping to get one.

Good luck,
P
 

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LOL. When they are selling it, they will tell the potential purchaser the EXACT opposite. They're salespeople. Buy low, sell high. I would have been more surprised if they had agreed with you :D
The dealership actually had 2 T models in stock, one Cayman and one Boxster. I had been watching these for a few months, and they hadn’t sold in some time. So it was reasonable to accept what the guy was saying, if he had of made me a lowball offer I could have taken that as he was just trying to get my car on the cheap, but he wasn’t even prepared to make me an offer.

My car is very highly spec’d with around £12k of options on top of the extras that come with the T, it is also in excellent condition with lots of warranty remaining and it’s recently had a service so nothing required for 2 years or 20k miles.

So in my opinion as a used example it doesn’t get much better, so take from that what you will.
 

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Try a few different retailers. Stock is still quite low and many of the larger volume ones would gladly take it off your hand and at a fair price. Have you done a WeBuyAnyCar check to see what the current value is? I've found them to be a good barometer in regards to trade in value.

Lastly, have a read on this forum and others where the T is concerned. There are quite a few with deposits who are hoping to get one.

Good luck,
P
WBAC‘s offer has dropped significantly over the last couple of months, at their current valuation they certainly aren’t an option.
 

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Now add the following to a S that is standard to a T:

20" Rims
Wheels Painted Satin Platinum
Roll Over Bars Painted
SPASM
PTV
Sports Chrono
Tail Pipes in Black
Plus the things you can't get (non-alcantara sportex seat centers, GT shifter, cloth handles)
Plus the difference between base price

In Canadian that's $15000+

Is that close? :D
I get the difference, but it seems from a buyers perspective I am in the minority. Certainly those that see the value in the T model seem to be few and far between, according to some of the independent Porsche retailers anyway.
 

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If you are expecting a decent financial return on a T, you have to wait longer than a couple of years! This was pretty much the case with every Porsche T. Give it 4-5 years and you sell the values hold or come up better than low optioned base and low optioned S. And I've always felt that the large majority of hate against the 4 cylinders come out of the UK. I wonder if that is mainly due to Chris Harris' scathing review.
 
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If you are a true car nut, the closest description I can find comes from Augustus De Morgan: “
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on; While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on.” Point is that you will always want the “better” car. And car dealers will always try to convince you that the car you gotta have is rare and yours is valueless.
 

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LOL. When they are selling it, they will tell the potential purchaser the EXACT opposite. They're salespeople. Buy low, sell high. I would have been more surprised if they had agreed with you :D
Many years ago I was looking for a manual BMW 325i Sport and I remember asking for one at a BMW dealer. The salesman asked me "why?" I told him I wanted a manual and he told me it was stupid, I was throwing money away buying a manual. I eventually found a 1 year old one used. Red, Black Interior, manual transmission and sport package. It was a great car until I saw the BMW 1M Coupe. I was able to get an allocation and I got a postcard from the dealership saying they buy back cars. So I drove my pristine 325i to the dealer and they sent me to the used car side of the street. As I drive up a salesman comes up to my car and says: wow you really take care of this....it's cherry. I said thank you, I'm here to see what you offer me for it. He says, sorry, we have too many used 325i on the lot. I said, ok thanks. As I pushed the clutch in and put it in gear, he yells "wait!" It's a manual....hang on, hang on. So I put in in neutral and park. Let me call my boss. So he calls someone and tells them he has a really nice 325i manual here and that he should come look at it. So I wait and this guy jogs across the street and starts looking at my car, smiling and says yes we are very interested in it. Then it dawns on me, this was the same douchebag that 5 years earlier called me an idiot for wanting a manual 325i and now he was excited to buy it back. Ducker! Yeah, I got in my car, left and put it on craigslist. Sold the first day in 2011. So while most of what he says is true, they are still salespeople and hard to take them at their word. Even if they are not being dishonest...sometimes they just "don't get it." I had another dealership that I was a customer with and they stopped ordering any manual cars on the lot, only special order but they had nothing to test drive. The manager told me, manuals don't sell. We had one on the floor for 4 months and had to discount it. I told him, look, call me when you have a manual M3 or don't call me at all. A few months later he calls me all excited and says we have one manual M3 come and look at it. So I drive down excited and when I get there it is some white metallic iridescent color with carbon mirror caps, full extended leather treatment, executive package and every pimp-mobile option you could cram into this thing close to $80k in 2011. I just looked at it and didn't even drive it. I told him I have no interest in that car. It sat on the lot for 3 months and they sold it at a discount. Sure enough the salesman and manager was, "see, manual cars don't sell....we told you so." Meanwhile the Brecht BMW up north sold manual M3s with less options that appealed to guys that want a manual car and they were moving. So even if they are being honest, they just don't get it. I went looking at Mustang GT manual with performance options and the salesman kept babbling about the infotainment system in the car. I was shocked how tone deaf the guy was. I called asking for Mustang GT with performance pack, manual and they guy talked for 20 minutes about the infotainment system to me.
 
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