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Have a read guys:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sh...29/porsche-718-boxster-cayman-around-to-2023/
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sh...29/porsche-718-boxster-cayman-around-to-2023/
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Current 718's to stick around till 2023?
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Sounds about right to me. I was expecting a facelift in 2020/2021 and then a whole new model 2023/2024. Guess with the introduction of 6 cylinder options its a bit more than just a facelift so 2023 seems even more realistic.
I wonder if the 6 cylinder models will carry the 718 moniker. I feel like they’ll be branded as Cayman GT4 or Cayman Touring.
I wonder if the 6 cylinder models will carry the 718 moniker. I feel like they’ll be branded as Cayman GT4 or Cayman Touring.
Well I hate to bring it up as it's been beaten to death now however, “IF” a six cyl. Model Cayman does come to fruition then will the 4 cyl become the red headed step child and we will see the value of our cars plummet? I love my car however the reality is, the stigma alone would be devastating to resale values. For this reason, if a six comes back, I hope it’s limited to GT4 models only.
Yes I just read that on the 9A2B4 thread after new member 'VH1" also highlighted it. It sounds about right to me as numerous manufacturers are having difficulty with the new Euro 7 regulations (including the VW group). The head of the PSA group recently claimed that missing the new CO2 targets could even bring one the major European manufacturers to its knees, so large would be the fines incurred. He also called for penalties to be suspended until such time as European governments roll out adequate electric car charging networks. Clearly many of the manufactures are extremely worried & given how stringent those targets are, that isn't altogether surprising. The current EU mandated average for cars is 130g/KM, however the new EU emissions standards which come into force in 2020/2021 reduce that figure to only 95g/KM for the fleet average. From this year, fleet average excess over emissions standards will incur fines of 95 euro's/gram of emissions excess for each of its registered vehicles. Personally given the pressures I wouldn't be at all surprised to see even smaller engines, hybrids or even all electric power units in any future 718 replacement.
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The future of Porsche is electric- good bye flat six- good bye
From motorsports.com today:
Porsche has shaken down its ABB FIA Formula E development car in what it called a first "roll-out" run ahead of its entry into the electric championship next season.
Neel Jani, who Porsche has already confirmed will drive one of its race cars in the 2019/20 championship, sampled the car at the manufacturer's Weissach test ground on Tuesday.
A Porsche statement said the run "passed without incident".
"I am very proud to have been behind the wheel the first time our Formula E racing car was driven," said Jani. "Being allowed to drive the rollout is not only a great honour, it is also very exciting.
"We're breaking new ground. It was a fantastic feeling for me. Everyone in the team feels it: The project is really gaining momentum now.
"We didn't push it to the limit during the rollout, but the powertrain and the car made a very good first impression overall. I can't wait to get back to testing."
Porsche's FE programme is its first new works effort since it pulled out of the World Endurance Championship LMP1 class at the end of the 2017 season.
"The newly developed Porsche powertrain for Formula E completed its baptism of fire," said vice-president of Porsche motorsport, Fritz Enzinger.
"It is an important day for everyone involved in this project.
From motorsports.com today:
Porsche has shaken down its ABB FIA Formula E development car in what it called a first "roll-out" run ahead of its entry into the electric championship next season.
Neel Jani, who Porsche has already confirmed will drive one of its race cars in the 2019/20 championship, sampled the car at the manufacturer's Weissach test ground on Tuesday.
A Porsche statement said the run "passed without incident".
"I am very proud to have been behind the wheel the first time our Formula E racing car was driven," said Jani. "Being allowed to drive the rollout is not only a great honour, it is also very exciting.
"We're breaking new ground. It was a fantastic feeling for me. Everyone in the team feels it: The project is really gaining momentum now.
"We didn't push it to the limit during the rollout, but the powertrain and the car made a very good first impression overall. I can't wait to get back to testing."
Porsche's FE programme is its first new works effort since it pulled out of the World Endurance Championship LMP1 class at the end of the 2017 season.
"The newly developed Porsche powertrain for Formula E completed its baptism of fire," said vice-president of Porsche motorsport, Fritz Enzinger.
"It is an important day for everyone involved in this project.
The future may be electric, but certainly not within the next 10-20 years. The only reason there's any significant demand for electric is due to government subsidies to buyers and government regulation of the manufacturers. Without the carrot and stick approach electric cars are grossly over-priced for an average buyer. Tesla has shown there's a high-end/low volume market, but they haven't validated even the upper mid-range, and all the other manufacturers who are going to "eat Tesla's lunch" are just focused on the high-end, too.
Europe will be like America in the 70's with the vehicles choked because of too-rapidly implemented emissions regulations, and EVs that lose 50% of their claimed range when it's too hot or cold—not to mention a critical lack of charging facilities in the cities.
In the meantime, I'll enjoy my powerful, quick, and quickly refueled GT4 with a gasoline engine.
Europe will be like America in the 70's with the vehicles choked because of too-rapidly implemented emissions regulations, and EVs that lose 50% of their claimed range when it's too hot or cold—not to mention a critical lack of charging facilities in the cities.
In the meantime, I'll enjoy my powerful, quick, and quickly refueled GT4 with a gasoline engine.
Agree with your assessment as it applies to commuter cars (daily drivers). Electric is ideal for a sports car, less so for grand touring car. EV will arrive. Porsche racing is now focused on it with a works team.
Th EV market is perfect for the Cayman (low volume high end).
Maybe (maybe!) in a decade with some new battery chemistries, but with today's chemistries batteries can't compete with a tank of 93 octane in terms of energy density, range, or refueling time. I think the 911 is a better option—more grand touring (generally) than performance sports car like the 718.
Of course, I'm probably blinkered because my 718 is a track toy and not a daily driver.
Just my opinion. But the 6's will most likely be reserved for the GT4 and spyder . They are adding particulate filters to all the cars now. Just choking the **** out of them. The current trend is downsizing . You don't down size , then upsize a couple years later. Even American cars are doing it except for the monsters. Look at the Ford GT 3.5 twin turbo. They could have used a coyote engine . It's coming people.
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In those countries that have gobs of non-polluting power (usually hydro--think Norway) EVs make a lot of sense for 'city cars'. In other countries (such as here in Australia where our power generation is VERY polluting) all EVs do is transfer the power generation fumes somewhere else.
The huge pollution issues in battery production are rarely considered.
The other issue that seems to be put aside is how to generate funds for roads, etc. as petrol consumption decreases. I sure don't want to subsidise EVs who don't pay exorbitant taxes on their power source.
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I'm not too worried about that because I LOVE my base 2.0L 718 Cayman, and they will have to pry it out of my cold dead hands!
So, I could care less if they come up with a 6 cylinder 718 (other than the GT4). With the current frame I believe that a turbo 6 doesn't fit, so the gt4 is really the only feasible option with the NA 6 cylinder.
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I kind of hope that too. If Porsche has any hope of keeping me as a repeat customer then in (hopefully) many years when I'm ready for a new car then if my opinion of the brand has been tainted by this I may consider other options. I wish I could pretend that I only bought the car for the performance, but I do like seeing the Porsche crest on the wheel because of what it represents.
I do get annoyed when I see YouTube warriors dissing my car. Sorry, but I do. If Porsche ends up effectively saying they were right then I'm not as worried about the resale value (I tend to keep cars a while) as I am about the part where I feel like an idiot for trusting Porsche in the first place.
I think there are two things that prevent you from being an idiot, JakiChan. The first is you knew what you were buying when you bought a Porsche 718 because their advertising and promotional pitch was all about the 1957-1962 718 that was primarily a 4-cylinder during all of its production. You also knew the engine your car would have was a 4-cylinder. So this car is crammed with historical repute as a corner-devouring demon (winning the Targa Florio three times). Secondly, opinions are like anuses, most people have at least one without having any special qualifications. Critics can't easily gig it on performance or appearance -- or they can if they ignore most common criteria about both. You know there are "flat Earthers" on YouTube, so it isn't much of reference point for reality.
I agree with you and your opinion about resale value, and for the same reason. Maybe I'm not understanding your "trust" issue with the brand.
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