[purekoryo]

Hello all!

I own a 2018 RS3 with stage 2+ tune and bolt on's (intake and downpipe) making around 620hp. I have many many suspension and chassis mods, but yet I am still not satisfied and seriously considering trading in the car. This car is ridiculously fast (2.8 sec. 0-60 & 10.5 sec down the 1/4 mile) and handles like it's on rails. The handling is so good that it's just not as exciting and has to be driven fast. I have to drive 7/10ths to really have fun.

Recently I have test driven M2 Comp., Cayman s, 997.2 turbo, 4C, Stelvio (for wife) Quadrifolio

M2 was fun but felt a little disconnected and steering wasn't as sharp.

718 Cayman S was not fun on normal street driving; HOWEVER, like my car, it needed to be driven at 8/10ths to have fun. But I feel like I need to spend more time with this car and considering using Turo to test drive this car for a day.

997 turbo while fast felt like a Grand Touring car.

4C was like driving a go kart but with very slow steering.. But just couldn't see DD this car either especially after two cars almost hit me from the front during a test drive!

Driving the Stelvio QV surprised me quite a bit. But my wife didn't like the interior. It felt cheap to her for the price, but I realize they had to cut cost somewhere for the amount of money spent on performance...To be honest, I didn't even need to test drive the Giulia because the Stelvio was that good. Only concern that myself and everyone else would have is the reliability.

I'm stuck between choosing the 718 Cayman GTS (mostly because it's manual and has boat loads of suspension aftermarket support), M2 Comp. or the Giulia. Thoughts on these comparisons?

The great thing about the Cayman that I'm seeing is that there are many suspension mods available to match and exceed GT4 level performance. Additionally, engine tunes from Cobb and APR is a +. I think with some aftermarket intercoolers, downpipes, and a tune, the GTS will produce 500+ hp, especially on E85. And at that point I will be content with the power, and focus more on suspension, tires, and chassis.

NOTE: I posted a similar thread on the Giulia forum and was surprised to see a bunch of immature and narrow-minded trolls, given the price point of these cars...In my 20+ years of being a member of many different car forums, I've had the worst experience in Giulia forum and hoping that I would gain a more productive feedback from this forum.

 

[purekoryo]

Here is the link I posted in the giulia forum if you are interested in seeing their responses.

Current 620HP RS3 owner...

Hello all! I own a 2018 RS3 with stage 2+ tune and bolt on's (intake and downpipe). I have many many suspension and chassis mods, but yet I am still not satisfied and seriously considering trading in the car. This car is rediculiously fast (2.8 sec. 0-60 & 10.5 sec down the 1/4 mile) and...

www.giuliaforums.com

 

[chester7]

I have a 6 speed MT Cayman GTS and an Alfa Stelvio. I would test both the GTS and the Giulia quadrofoglio. My Stelvio has been flawless in two years of ownership. The driving feel is exceptional

If you are going to mod, the Porsche is likely the better choice.

 

[purekoryo]

I know the Stelvio is an SUV, but for just regular street driving, which car is more fun? I will admit, the Stelvio actually almost felt more fun to drive than my RS3.

I have a 6 speed MT Cayman GTS and an Alfa Stelvio. I would test both the GTS and the Giulia quadrofoglio. My Stelvio has been flawless in two years of ownership. The driving feel is exceptional

If you are going to mod, the Porsche is likely the better choice.

 

[chester7]

I have the four cylinder turbo Stelvio. I have to believe the Stelvio quad, with its Italian sounding v6, may deliver an everyday ( non 7/10’s) experience that is sublime.

 

[Third]

Hello all!

I own a 2018 RS3 with stage 2+ tune and bolt on's (intake and downpipe) making around 620hp. I have many many suspension and chassis mods, but yet I am still not satisfied and seriously considering trading in the car. This car is ridiculously fast (2.8 sec. 0-60 & 10.5 sec down the 1/4 mile) and handles like it's on rails. The handling is so good that it's just not as exciting and has to be driven fast. I have to drive 7/10ths to really have fun.

Recently I have test driven M2 Comp., Cayman s, 997.2 turbo, 4C, Stelvio (for wife) Quadrifolio

M2 was fun but felt a little disconnected and steering wasn't as sharp.

718 Cayman S was not fun on normal street driving; HOWEVER, like my car, it needed to be driven at 8/10ths to have fun. But I feel like I need to spend more time with this car and considering using Turo to test drive this car for a day.

997 turbo while fast felt like a Grand Touring car.

4C was like driving a go kart but with very slow steering.. But just couldn't see DD this car either especially after two cars almost hit me from the front during a test drive!

Driving the Stelvio QV surprised me quite a bit. But my wife didn't like the interior. It felt cheap to her for the price, but I realize they had to cut cost somewhere for the amount of money spent on performance...To be honest, I didn't even need to test drive the Giulia because the Stelvio was that good. Only concern that myself and everyone else would have is the reliability.

I'm stuck between choosing the 718 Cayman GTS (mostly because it's manual and has boat loads of suspension aftermarket support), M2 Comp. or the Giulia. Thoughts on these comparisons?

The great thing about the Cayman that I'm seeing is that there are many suspension mods available to match and exceed GT4 level performance. Additionally, engine tunes from Cobb and APR is a +. I think with some aftermarket intercoolers, downpipes, and a tune, the GTS will produce 500+ hp, especially on E85. And at that point I will be content with the power, and focus more on suspension, tires, and chassis.

NOTE: I posted a similar thread on the Giulia forum and was surprised to see a bunch of immature and narrow-minded trolls, given the price point of these cars...In my 20+ years of being a member of many different car forums, I've had the worst experience in Giulia forum and hoping that I would gain a more productive feedback from this forum.

Hmmm. As much as I love my Cayman, I think I'd stick with the GT3 RS.

 

[Steve48]

Not sure if helpful, but a few years ago I dabbled with an S4 (I know, different than the RS line) but like you, I felt the performance was super clinical, almost robotic. I have now owned my first Porsche (718 S) for 6 months and each trip is a memorable experience, I am connected to this car in a big way. Hard to explain without sounding nuts...

 

[purekoryo]

Your reply reminded me of Voltron back in the day, where the pilot is one with the robot.

Not sure if helpful, but a few years ago I dabbled with an S4 (I know, different than the RS line) but like you, I felt the performance was super clinical, almost robotic. I have now owned my first Porsche (718 S) for 6 months and each trip is a memorable experience, I am connected to this car in a big way. Hard to explain without sounding nuts...

 

[purekoryo]

That's in my bucket list. Maybe in 5 years I'll get there...

Hmmm. As much as I love my Cayman, I think I'd stick with the GT3 RS.

 

[alf_17]

Hmmm. As much as I love my Cayman, I think I'd stick with the GT3 RS.

I am guessing that you might have misunderstood RS3 for GT3 RS, when it is more likely to refer to an Audi RS3.

 

[Third]

I am guessing that you might have misunderstood RS3 for GT3 RS, when it is more likely to refer to an Audi RS3.

Indeed that's exactly what I did. Ironically, I've owned an Audi S3. Not sure why I assumed a typo from the start??? Thanks for correcting my mistake!

 

[purekoryo]

Indeed that's exactly what I did. Ironically, I've owned an Audi S3. Not sure why I assumed a typo from the start??? Thanks for correcting my mistake!

Man what a nice community we have here. I've been asking the same questions in the Giulia forum and they've got a complete mess of kids running around there...

Maybe this is a sign for me to get the 718 instead of the Giulia!

 

[purekoryo]

Hmmm. As much as I love my Cayman, I think I'd stick with the GT3 RS.

BTW, can you please elaborate?

 

[Third]

BTW, can you please elaborate?

Sure! I misunderstood to you to be considering replacing a Porsche GT3 RS (not an Audi RS3) with a Cayman. My mistake.

 

[AVM]

I considered the M2C very seriously but, in the end, I am a Porsche guy and went with 718 CGTS.

Despite what anyone says on YouTube or the Beemer forum, nothing in the BMW line-up compares to the Porsche sport cars when it comes to handling and overall performance. The BMWs all have front engine chassis and have become relative boats. Simply cannot compete with the smaller, mid- and rear-engine Porsche chassis.

The M2C is the smallest, most nimble BMW offering with one **** of an engine in the S55. It pulls like a beast and is a blast for daily/spirited drives. You like to mod, and unlimited mod potential with the M2C. Finally, there is the $60K price point, making the M2C what many reasonably consider the most performance you can get today for the price. The M2C is no Porsche, but it is one **** of a ride. . . with a couple backseats.

I compared M2C, M4, 981C GTS, 981 GT4 and 718 CGTS . . . the latter was my choice and I have absolutely no regrets. Love it! Still, I need another car for different purposes and about pull trigger on adding either an M2C or M4 to the garage. As above, very different than the Porsche offerings, but special in their own right. YOU might find the BMW offerings better suit YOUR overall needs and interests? If so, I have no doubt you will not be disappointed.

You did not mention it, but you should very seriously consider an M4 in the decision process based on your expressed interests - and your wife’s interests. Like the M2C, a beast for daily/spirited driving, however, with night and day interior upgrades (for your wife). Mod potential also unlimited. I am sure the M4 is also a great track car, but not an interest of mine. Below is just one example of a new, fully loaded M4 (including ceramic brakes) listed at $90K. Probably could be had for closer to $80K. An abundance of similar options available in the market nationwide.

Finally, all the above considerations are based on NEW car purchase. Everyone likes shiny and new, but we all know the best value is slightly broken-in CPO where the original owner took the big depreciation hit by driving the vehicle off the lot. If you are open to a used option, then the world is really your oyster. . . I say this, yet, I am the guy always taking the ‘hit.’

Sorry, but my interests are confined to Porsche and BMW, so Alfa Romero and Mercedes not anything I can make experienced comment. If pressured to consider one of the two, I would be most apt to try out an AMG offering.

New 2020 BMW M4 For Sale | Fort Pierce FL |

AVM

 

[phroenips]

If you have the means and the space, maybe keep the RS3, and add a Miata!

 

[purekoryo]

I actually considered that and should maybe test drive one...

 

[Lelandjt]

My last sports car was a modified STi, so like your RS3 it was a high horsepower, high grip, 4wd. On snow, wet pavement, or dirt it was fun but on dry pavement you had to be going dangerously fast to feel a thrill. I'm hoping the Cayman's chassis and RWD will make it more fun at more reasonable speeds.

 

[purekoryo]

Great feedback! I did test drive an M3 a year ago and while good, felt more like a grand touring car. Maybe I should test drive the competition version of the m3/4?

I considered the M2C very seriously but, in the end, I am a Porsche guy and went with 718 CGTS.

Despite what anyone says on YouTube or the Beemer forum, nothing in the BMW line-up compares to the Porsche sport cars when it comes to handling and overall performance. The BMWs all have front engine chassis and have become relative boats. Simply cannot compete with the smaller, mid- and rear-engine Porsche chassis.

The M2C is the smallest, most nimble BMW offering with one ** of an engine in the S55. It pulls like a beast and is a blast for daily/spirited drives. You like to mod, and unlimited mod potential with the M2C. Finally, there is the $60K price point, making the M2C what many reasonably consider the most performance you can get today for the price. The M2C is no Porsche, but it is one ** of a ride. . . with a couple backseats.

I compared M2C, M4, 981C GTS, 981 GT4 and 718 CGTS . . . the latter was my choice and I have absolutely no regrets. Love it! Still, I need another car for different purposes and about pull trigger on adding either an M2C or M4 to the garage. As above, very different than the Porsche offerings, but special in their own right. YOU might find the BMW offerings better suit YOUR overall needs and interests? If so, I have no doubt you will not be disappointed.

You did not mention it, but you should very seriously consider an M4 in the decision process based on your expressed interests - and your wife’s interests. Like the M2C, a beast for daily/spirited driving, however, with night and day interior upgrades (for your wife). Mod potential also unlimited. I am sure the M4 is also a great track car, but not an interest of mine. Below is just one example of a new, fully loaded M4 (including ceramic brakes) listed at $90K. Probably could be had for closer to $80K. An abundance of similar options available in the market nationwide.

Finally, all the above considerations are based on NEW car purchase. Everyone likes shiny and new, but we all know the best value is slightly broken-in CPO where the original owner took the big depreciation hit by driving the vehicle off the lot. If you are open to a used option, then the world is really your oyster. . . I say this, yet, I am the guy always taking the ‘hit.’

Sorry, but my interests are confined to Porsche and BMW, so Alfa Romero and Mercedes not anything I can make experienced comment. If pressured to consider one of the two, I would be most apt to try out an AMG offering.

New 2020 BMW M4 For Sale | Fort Pierce FL |

AVM

 

[Viffermike]

My last sports car was a modified STi, so like your RS3 it was a high horsepower, high grip, 4wd. On snow, wet pavement, or dirt it was fun but on dry pavement you had to be going dangerously fast to feel a thrill. I'm hoping the Cayman's chassis and RWD will make it more fun at more reasonable speeds.

As a former owner of an '09 WRX 5-door (which, at the time, out-accelerated the STi of the same year), I can unequivocally verify that the 718 is considerably more fun.