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Many of you know I'm eagerly awaiting the official announcement for the presumed next generation GT4. I love manual transmissions (don't have anything against PDK) but I have to admit, I'm a little concerned about "3rd gear failures". I first heard of this with the previous generation GT4 and now in select 718 manual transmissions. Do our members think or know if the PDK is a more robust set up for long term ownership. As much as I'm craving a manual GT4, if PDK is offered, would it be a "better" choice for the reasons/concerns expressed, (NOT from a performance standpoint)...obviously if a manual is the only choice...I have no choice....Thanks?
 

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Many of you know I'm eagerly awaiting the official announcement for the presumed next generation GT4. I love manual transmissions (don't have anything against PDK) but I have to admit, I'm a little concerned about "3rd gear failures". I first heard of this with the previous generation GT4 and now in select 718 manual transmissions. Do our members think or know if the PDK is a more robust set up for long term ownership. As much as I'm craving a manual GT4, if PDK is offered, would it be a "better" choice for the reasons/concerns expressed, (NOT from a performance standpoint)...obviously if a manual is the only choice...I have no choice....Thanks?
I posed this in another PDK-related thread: I would highly recommend researching the discussions on Porsche-related forums such as P9, rennlist, and 6speedonline to supplant any responses here. The PDK's only been around for about a decade, and this forum's been around for barely a year. You'll find much more discussion there that could inform the question you're asking here.
 
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The PDK is designed as a 'lifetime' option.
The manual will need a clutch sometime as it's a 'consumable'.
As for ultimate reliability, I'm sure Porsche does its best.

According to Car & Driver:
"Don’t be fooled by that introduction year for the production PDK transmission—the super-quick-shifting dual-clutch automatic has been in Porsche’s parts bin for more than 30 years." (Although not available to the public until 2005 'cause it kept blowing up!)

More here (from a 2013 history):
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/s...s-sportomatic-tiptronic-and-pdk-transmissions
 

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The PDK is designed as a 'lifetime' option.
The manual will need a clutch sometime as it's a 'consumable'.
As for ultimate reliability, I'm sure Porsche does its best.

According to Car & Driver:
"Don’t be fooled by that introduction year for the production PDK transmission—the super-quick-shifting dual-clutch automatic has been in Porsche’s parts bin for more than 30 years." (Although not available to the public until 2005 'cause it kept blowing up!)

More here (from a 2013 history):
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/s...s-sportomatic-tiptronic-and-pdk-transmissions
...as usual, thank you for your input and especially for posting the article link. Cheers!?
 

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Many of you know I'm eagerly awaiting the official announcement for the presumed next generation GT4. I love manual transmissions (don't have anything against PDK) but I have to admit, I'm a little concerned about "3rd gear failures". I first heard of this with the previous generation GT4 and now in select 718 manual transmissions. Do our members think or know if the PDK is a more robust set up for long term ownership. As much as I'm craving a manual GT4, if PDK is offered, would it be a "better" choice for the reasons/concerns expressed, (NOT from a performance standpoint)...obviously if a manual is the only choice...I have no choice....Thanks?
My pdk seems screwed.
Had the "No R trans fault poss to drive on" but the fault kept recurring after restarting today.
Cars being recovered tomorrow. Will let u know how it goes...
23,000 miles on a 2017 718...
 

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Many of you know I'm eagerly awaiting the official announcement for the presumed next generation GT4. I love manual transmissions (don't have anything against PDK) but I have to admit, I'm a little concerned about "3rd gear failures". I first heard of this with the previous generation GT4 and now in select 718 manual transmissions. Do our members think or know if the PDK is a more robust set up for long term ownership. As much as I'm craving a manual GT4, if PDK is offered, would it be a "better" choice for the reasons/concerns expressed, (NOT from a performance standpoint)...obviously if a manual is the only choice...I have no choice....Thanks?
My pdk seems screwed.
Had the "No R trans fault poss to drive on" but the fault kept recurring after restarting today.
Cars being recovered tomorrow. Will let u know how it goes...
23,000 miles on a 2017 718...
...So sorry to hear. Got to admit I'm surprised (and even more confused!) Perhaps I'll stick with my passion and take my chances with the "3rd gear" in the manual transmission! And thank you for the response/information...?
 

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My pdk seems screwed.
Had the "No R trans fault poss to drive on" but the fault kept recurring after restarting today.
Cars being recovered tomorrow. Will let u know how it goes...
23,000 miles on a 2017 718...
Don't give up hope until they check the car. Could be a simple fix. Modern PDK very very rarely fail. Good luck!
 

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...So sorry to hear. Got to admit I'm surprised (and even more confused!) Perhaps I'll stick with my passion and take my chances with the "3rd gear" in the manual transmission! And thank you for the response/information...?
a single anecdote is useless to determine overall longevity of an entire population of automobiles.
 

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a single anecdote is useless to determine overall longevity of an entire population of automobiles.
My pdk seems screwed.
Had the "No R trans fault poss to drive on" but the fault kept recurring after restarting today.
Cars being recovered tomorrow. Will let u know how it goes...
23,000 miles on a 2017 718...

Uz718's single anecdote is probably not useless in his instance.
 

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...So sorry to hear. Got to admit I'm surprised (and even more confused!) Perhaps I'll stick with my passion and take my chances with the "3rd gear" in the manual transmission! And thank you for the response/information...?
a single anecdote is useless to determine overall longevity of an entire population of automobiles.
...yes...quite aware...but still makes you think.... ?
 

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Uz718's single anecdote is probably not useless in his instance.
True. But a forum is one of the worst possible places to gauge the overall reliability of a particular car -- heck, a particular anything. Why?

Because it's human nature to ask and complain about problems far more often than it is to mention what one likes,
it's human nature to remember, and let others know about, problems and negatives far more often than it is to remember likes and positives, and
it's human nature, as well as cultural in this internet age, to pursue causes that relate to negative and extreme experiences than it is to pursue causes that relate to positive, relatively mundane experiences.

This is Sociology 101, folks.

The only remotely objective way to glean whether or not something is an issue is through statistics. That's part of the reason why I've recommended other forums that have been around far longer than this one to help members gauge the reliability of the PDK. Actual statistics -- even something relatively mundane on its face, such as the prevalence of anti-PDK or negative PDK threads -- are far more likely to be available there than here.

Think about this for a moment: The fact that you're a member of a forum for a specific thing means you have an abnormal interest in that thing. It's evidence of enthusiasm and, dare I say it, extremism, whether positive or negative. The majority of 718 owners are not on forums.
 

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True. But a forum is one of the worst possible places to gauge the overall reliability of a particular car...
Valid points, all.
Nevertheless, it's quite likely accurate to conclude Uz718 is experiencing reliability issues with his PDK.


...why I've recommended other forums that have been around far longer than this one to help members gauge...
As do I.
Not coincidentally I'm amongst the peanut gallery aboard several forums. Same screen name btw.


...The majority of 718 owners are not on forums.
Indeed. Dilettantes or otherwise uninterested in participating.
Without swinging too hard it's gents such as yourself contributing here that keep me coming back.




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