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It’s sad that I now fully realize that the roads around here are just horrible! And like when I was taking my first born son from the hospital many years ago- I realize just how bad drivers around here are. Oh and lots of traffic. Not to gripe but my new 718 cost is going to pale compared relocating and finding a new home! Live north of Boston MA currently. How about other folks? Best place to live for your 718?
 

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I'm a native of the northeast, so I know. It's another world here - east Tennessee/Western North Carolina. High density of superb roads. Now, after 15 years here, there's a lot of paving that they need to do, and it is in progress. Much more temperate; longer season.
 

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I'm travelling around NZ with my family at the moment (live in the UK). NZ has without a doubt the best driving roads I have ever been on. They are stunning, well kept and the best bit.... They have noone else on them.

Sadly my 718 is at home!
 

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I'm travelling around NZ with my family at the moment (live in the UK). NZ has without a doubt the best driving roads I have ever been on. They are stunning, well kept and the best bit.... They have noone else on them.

Sadly my 718 is at home!
Well that's a stinker!
 

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I live just west of Boston. When I complain about the roads it's really a complaint about the congestion and all that brings about. Still, the 128 speedway is an eye-opening commute in the morning!
 

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The entire state of Michigan should be shut down, condemned or detoured. Those who say Michigan isn't that bad are obviously biased citizens or are comparing it to any number of third-world countries. Unpaved third-world countries.
 

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I live just west of Boston. When I complain about the roads it's really a complaint about the congestion and all that brings about. Still, the 128 speedway is an eye-opening commute in the morning!
128 Speedway... :crying:
 

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Also a MA resident and agree on both the roads and drivers. It's amazing driving my Cayman on nicely paved roads and on 90 or 95 when you aren't stuck in a traffic jam. :) I hope to get out to some nice roads up in NH during the summer.
 

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The entire state of Michigan should be shut down, condemned or detoured. Those who say Michigan isn't that bad are obviously biased citizens or are comparing it to any number of third-world countries. Unpaved third-world countries.
Detroit has to have the worse roads in the US and actually worse than some third world countries I've seen!
 

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Maybe there are worse places than MA but it’s not so much just the potholes- there is so much loose debris, rocks and pebbles from all the sanding and plowing! The sticky tires grab the stuff and all I can hear are the pebbles bouncing around in my wheel wells. It’s making me crazy.

Things I just didn’t notice driving the RAM.
 

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Chicago - city streets are like pothole minefields, you gotta be really careful. I seldom drive my Porsche there. Out in the burbs where I live not too bad, when it's not rush hour, which is getting to be 23 hours a day
 

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New Jersey.

I know! I know! It may be hard to believe, but NJ actually has a central-western rural area where roads are fun to drive on.
Actually these roads, in our version of "horse country", are fairly nice. The US Equestrian Olympic Team stables is about 10 minutes from me. The best driving areas include Warren, Hunterdon and western parts of Morris county. Lots of nice farms along with rural sights and pleasant country lanes.

I'm also pretty close to Bedminster, so we've got a temporary increase in noisy black-helicopter traffic....but this too shall pass. One hopes.

Our Porsche club runs road rallies in this horse country area, with lots of interesting turns, switchbacks, quaint villages, narrow bridges, etc.

Northeastern NJ roads, especially as you get closer to Newark and New York City, are more of what most people imagine: urban and awful.

Southern New Jersey, in the Pine Barrens area is also surprisingly rural with decent smooth, twisty roads (but it's super flat there). The Pine Barrens area has low population and is warmer with less "frost heaves" so roads tend to stay in good shape longer. They use much less salt in southern NJ too, so driving season is longer.

Some of you guys mentioned Massachusetts. My older daughter went to UMASS and, after graduation, she decided to stay in Boston to work. So I bought a decent, used Nissan that she could drive while she was living there. A year later, she got a job offer in the Princeton area and came back to NJ. By that time, her Nissan looks like it had been attacked by an angry mob of people with ball-peen hammers. It was unreal how rough Boston traffic was on that car. It seems much worse than Newark.
Although I do have a "Newark car story": One of my brothers attended NJIT in Newark. One time, upon retuning from class, he discovered a homeless person had broken into his car and was sleeping in the back seat.

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Although a move just because of the new 718 was said mostly tongue in cheek... it makes the idea of a move more realistic as we are considering options anyway. Although Europe would be interesting... I don't see that happening... too far from family and friends at this stage of the game.
 
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In south west Connecticut there are definitely roads that I actively avoid. They are just too bumpy.


Then there are the roads which are slightly bumpy and must make me look like I'm drunk because I'm weaving around avoiding the pot holes!
 

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I've driven the roads of most U.S. states -- and I'll be driving more of 'em this time next month, up in the northeast. I've ridden many of them in the south on a motorcycle, too. I've driven in a number of foreign countries, too: much of western Europe (including the U.K.) and select places in Central and South America, as well.

Each time, I note things like pavement quality, general driving/traffic habits, general vehicle condition, etc. almost by osmosis.

Some observations:
- In general, road quality is dictated by state funding -- even stretches of state highway that go through federally-owned land such as National Forests. Nowhere is this more evident than on the Cherohala Skyway in the Smoky Mountains. The pavement is phenomenal on the North Carolina side -- and right at the state line with Tennessee, it changes drastically for the worse. That stretch is within the Nantahala National Forest -- but it's a state highway.
- U.S. Highway condition also varies state by state -- but since it's largely federally funded, condition is as much a political 'porkbarrel' issue as anything. For example: Before Bill Clinton because President, Arkansas' highways were atrocious. Within 2-3 years after he took office, the state had some of the country's best roads.
- The farther north one goes, the more funding roads need to be kept in good condition. Why? Freezes. In Texas, we rarely have to worry about snow, much less frozen ground, salt, melt-off erosion, etc. Yet the density of roads in the north (at least in the U.S.) is higher than in the south in most cases ... and, in general, population and economic growth is higher in the South than in the North. Those factors, among several others, are largely why Michigan, Massachusetts, Ohio, etc. are frequently on the worst-roads list: Those states have far bigger issues than road condition to address ...
- Internationally, roads fit the transportation culture. Germany's known for its Autobahn primarily because it was conceived and built during a time when roads were primarily thought of as individual transportation lanes, while things like rail and ship were commercial and/or military -- or blown to bits because of WWII. In Eastern Europe, roads are also individual but primarily serve focused locales and small commercial endeavors such as farming -- much like a lot of the western U.S. before WWII. Only countries with a reason to have highways between regional economic centers have them, and density varies depending on a country's level of urbanization and post-industrial development: England and Germany have tons, while Sweden and Russia have few.

Anyway ...
Best roads in the U.S. - Arizona
Worst roads in the U.S. - New York (this may change after my trip, LOL)
Best roads in Europe: Italy
Worst roads in Europe: Britain, anywhere in the Balkan peninsula

All of that pales in comparison to the roads in Panama and Ecuador. I wouldn't own a late-model car of any make or model in either of those countries.
 
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