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First, I am very new to the Porsche world and my intention is not to be critical of anyone. I have heard about and read about the controversy over Porsche going to the flat 4 and there appear to be many who have been quite critical of this move. The 4 appears to have great performance, reliability etc and the only real discussion seems to be the sound. What other issues am I missing?
 

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I realize you are new but this is the proverbial beating of the dead horse.
 

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If you look at it as a sportscar, the flat 4 turbo is more driveable and more satisfying in everyday conditions (anything a normal driver would like to drive through, canyons, mountain roads etc) where the low end RPM range is important.

In racing conditions (track), an accomplished driver might be able to get more from the high end of the RPM range. I suspect that the present racing regulations penalize the turbo because, let's face it, it's a 'dial a horsepower' proposition. It doesn't necessarily promote engine development (maybe).

It is very difficult to understand the superiority of the low end 'wall of torque' unless you drive it in a comparison. I compared my MY18 CS and a MY16 GTS (the latter in a small track). In paper very well matched... In reality, I feel I could run circles around the older GTS because I was not that fast in that track.

However, comparing the two can lead to the trap 'the turbo 4 is faster than the NA6' let's prove it on the track, 'no, not this track.... a faster track' and in the end you get to racing circuits made for GT cars, where the NA6 can unwind and shine.

But Laguna Seca or COTA is not everyday driving...
 

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Porsche owners have a lot of mental baggage. Changing from a flat 6 to a flat 4 hit a nerve in many older fans.

Ostensibly they complained about the sound "not sounding like a Porsche". Yes it was an incredible an mount of whining. I stopped reading competing forums for a long time because I was so tired of the shrieking...yes..this horse is dead and decomposed at this point.

There were also a number of other complaints about the new 718. Porsche owners are notable for their need to complain about every change Porsche makes, no matter how insignificant or immaterial. There were those who complained about the new interior looked cheaper, the car weighed more than the predecessor, the rear spoiler didn't look right, the front spoiler was ugly....I could go on for an hour about all the trivial complaints I have read about the new 718. None of which I think is anything other than whining from a butthurt audience who have too much free time on their hands and aren't really what I would call "enthusiast" but rather "self absorbed".

To me, the worst part of owning a Porsche is the is the reputation Porsche owners have. I've never had anybody say anything insulting or offensive to my face but I have read so many stupid comments by owners that I feel it cheapens the Porsche experience. I suppose it is funny ( but really not) that a few weeks ago I went to Porsche dealer to look at a car. The manager came out after hearing that I own three Porsches and said " I hear you are a Porsche guy" I actually almost told him to go F*&^ himself, I thought he was insulting me....LOL.. Good thing I caught myself before I did. He was just making small talk but I really didn't like being associated with the brand, even though I enjoy the cars and my dealer, PCA, PCNA, Euro delivery, track school, and PEC have always treated me splendidly.

Ok, back to the issues with the flat 4...

I think a main reason for the complaints are beyond the sound. I think it is undeniable that many people buy a 718/Boxster/Cayman because they cannot afford a 911. Sure some people love the mid engine platform but to many it is an affordable substitute for the 911 of their childhood dreams. The further the 718 gets from the 911, they more people complain about it. The early models 986/987 where pretty much built from leftover parts of the 911. The 981 and subsequently the 718 the car started to become a separate entity from the 911. The less the car is a "poor man's 911" the less it has that 911 mystique. For me, I like it because of what it is, for many Porsche owners they disparage it for what it isn't.

I am 99% confident Porsche will not switch back to a NA flat 6 in the 718 ( although I would like a Turbo F6). There has been speculation about that for years. I would love for them to switch back, it would make my torquey little monster that much rarer and I think they would become a cult classic. IMO, it would be a major mistake for Porsche to accept lower performance to satisfy the complaints about the sound. No doubt a new flat 6 would weigh more and there would still be forum dwellers would find a number of other things to complain about the new car.

Finally there is the "resale" issue with the 718. I don't know if this is a real issue. Many think the 981 has kept value at the expense of the 718, I don't see it in my experience. I, personally, plan to own my cars for too long to worry about resale.



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In sport mode the sound is wonderful with lots of burbles and pops etc. It is somewhat loud and at night I turn it to normal when I pull into my street so I do not disturb the family next door with a new born. I have a manual and if I downshift so to keep the RPMs bumping up against 3K the acceleration is awesome and coupled with the exhaust sound it just forces a gigantic smile every time. As I said in another post, my girl friend calls the exhaust “A male mating call”. BTW, I only have the base model with only 300 HP. I am incapable of mustering any sympathy for anyone that has a problem with either the performance or sound if this car, at least for off track street driving.
 

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This debate won't go away but this is not the forum to find criticism of the 718. The lovers are here and the haters somewhere else but both are over the top in arguing their corners. Fact.

Facts. The 911 is the icon but in 991 and 992 format it is no longer a nimble sports car as it's got bigger and GTish but it's still better than older versions 997,996, 993 etc, if you're cool with the size. The Boxster/Cayman is no longer for people who can't afford a 911, some actually prefer it for size and sportiness. The 718 is superior to the 981, 987 and 986 as virtually all new cars are superior to their predecessors. Not just in power and torque, which you are lucky to get to use anyway unless you track it. The 718 doesn't sound as good as the others, fact not opinion, but you can live with it for the advantages of handling, ride quality, cabin refinements and sheer aesthetics. Fact.
 

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First, I am very new to the Porsche world and my intention is not to be critical of anyone. I have heard about and read about the controversy over Porsche going to the flat 4 and there appear to be many who have been quite critical of this move. The 4 appears to have great performance, reliability etc and the only real discussion seems to be the sound. What other issues am I missing?
If you haven't owned a prior Porsche, then it shouldn't be an issue. Be glad you can get a car that sounds like a sports car and has an adjustable sports exhaust that changes in character depending on which drive mode you are in.

IMO, having owned 2 previous NA flat 6's and a T-flat six as well as a flat four, the flat 6's sound better at idle and low RPM, but once you get the RPMs up in the T4 (where it is also more rewarding to drive), it sounds really good in its own way. I have a base 718 Boxster and its a great roadster. Lot's of fun. Mid engine, manual transmission and under 3000 lbs, good luck finding that somewhere else.
 

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I never like being a fan boy on any brand as I’ve owned many makes on my motorcycles, cars and trucks. Now on my third Porsche I think I might have inadvertently stepped in it??!!
I want a shirt too but still haven’t found one I like, also want a cap but yea same thing. I like subtlety there.

This horse has been beat but to the OP, think of it as different flavours of ice cream as an analogy. They are all awesome and the tones and burble differences between NA, flat 4 turbo and flat 6 turbos are just delicious.
 

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Brilliant post, sir! I loved every word. I've owned Porsches for 25 years now. I have zero Porsche hats or shirts. I too do not want to be known as a "Porsche" guy.
I drive my Porsche with a Ford cap, even though I do not own a Ford anymore. I still like them and other car brands.

The Turbo F4 is a great engine. It sounds distinct from the Turbo F6, though I must admit that I love winding out the F6. It’s hard for me to describe the difference, but if the OP is curious I would suggest testing both out.

Porsche made this big deal about the 718 branding and linking it to the orginal F4 718, then they add a NA F6 but continue calling it a 718. A bit odd from a marketing perspective. But as mentioned above it seems like some Porsche diehards have a difficult time embracing change and technological advancements.
 

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I asked my artist daughter to draw a caiman curled into a C shape. Had it printed on some tech fabric shirts with the numbers 718 down the long sleeve. People who don’t own one don’t know what it means. People who do...
 

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the only real discussion seems to be the sound
We also have a 718 owner who is a member here AND owns a Subaru. He says it's BS, the 718 does NOT sound like the Subaru. Interestingly, I've noticed over the last few months cruising car stuff on the net, that people are starting to come around on the 718, realizing just how fantastic a performer it is, especially in the torque department. Sometimes acceptance of change can be a slow process.
 

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I am addressing your comment about the slowness of the acceptance of change, not anyone in particular.

Some people will never accept it (the 718 4T) just because they are incapable of the mental process. Something like fanatics (religious or otherwise). I am sure there are hordes of air cooled fans out there...
 
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