https://www.automobilemag.com/news/porsche-718-cayman-boxster-flat-six-cylinder-engine-gts/
Why does Porsche do these things? I am now doubting my order for a GTS.
Why does Porsche do these things? I am now doubting my order for a GTS.
Flat six in Cayman just below GT4?
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The way I see things, there will always be the next "bigger and better" whether it is a car, AV equipment, smart technology, or whatever. If you always wait for the next "best thing" to come along without purchasing the best of today, you will always be left with nothing.
Agree with your "left with nothing" assessment. Its just that Porsche about faced on the 944/928 revolution, and the announcement of the flat-six 718 feels that way.
I can see that Porsche likely wants to spread the engineering cost of the new GT4 Club-sport over more units, so using the same engine could make sense financially.
I just do not want to see the 2017-2019 718 flat four as a one-off.
I can see that Porsche likely wants to spread the engineering cost of the new GT4 Club-sport over more units, so using the same engine could make sense financially.
I just do not want to see the 2017-2019 718 flat four as a one-off.
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Kind of like a modern day 912
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Flat 6 718 beneath GT4/Spyder possible?
Is this BS? Or is a flat 6 718 sub GT4/Spyder with all the comfort of a base/S/GTS likely?
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/porsche-718-cayman-boxster-flat-six-cylinder-engine-gts/amp/
Is this BS? Or is a flat 6 718 sub GT4/Spyder with all the comfort of a base/S/GTS likely?
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/porsche-718-cayman-boxster-flat-six-cylinder-engine-gts/amp/
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I agree with some posters in the thread...........about always waiting and never getting because you wait for the next best thing. For me, assuming I am still walking the earth in 2-3 years...........I will buy whatever Porsche is then doing for a Base or S.
My thoughts on the article itself are two. (1) Automobile is one of my very least favorite of the mags of late(I have subscribed for years but am not going to renew)as they seem to have fallen off the rails in terms of coverage and their editorials. So, they are not my oracle about future. I am more interested in Excellence or Panorama input. (2) There is some incongruity between going back to volume use of 6s when the reason they went to 4s was ostensibly to achieve required fuel mileage targets. So, if this is true, it means that there is either a significant relaxing of the targets, and/or they have found a way to achieve the mileage that heretofore they did not have and/or they will be smaller displacement turbos ala what was done with the 911. However, if memory serves, the 3.0 turbo in the 911 did not fit in the Cayman/Boxster so they went to 4s. All speculation, of course.......
My thoughts on the article itself are two. (1) Automobile is one of my very least favorite of the mags of late(I have subscribed for years but am not going to renew)as they seem to have fallen off the rails in terms of coverage and their editorials. So, they are not my oracle about future. I am more interested in Excellence or Panorama input. (2) There is some incongruity between going back to volume use of 6s when the reason they went to 4s was ostensibly to achieve required fuel mileage targets. So, if this is true, it means that there is either a significant relaxing of the targets, and/or they have found a way to achieve the mileage that heretofore they did not have and/or they will be smaller displacement turbos ala what was done with the 911. However, if memory serves, the 3.0 turbo in the 911 did not fit in the Cayman/Boxster so they went to 4s. All speculation, of course.......
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I don't understand why some people think the 6 cylinder is better then the current turbo 4 that we have. My 718CS beats the crap out of my previous 987CS under acceleration. To have any fun at all in the 987 you have to rev it way up over 4,000. In the 718 it is fun from the word go at 1,000 RPM.
Good point. And if memory serves, the turbo flat six will not fit the Cayman. So adding optional ECU tunes to the flat four would likely keep the 718 CS/GTS ahead of almost any normally aspirated six.
IMO, the 2.5 will still be better other than sound.
Also, I wonder if this will be a GT4 "Touring" model and be nearly the same price. It seems like there's very little "meat" in this article and this was written based off a 5 minute conversation with someone who knows something.
I'm frankly really tired of automobile journalism that just appeals to pop opinion rather than looking at things critically. The 2.5 is an amazing engine and performs amazingly, but crusty luddites are too busy whining about sound. Nobody has original opinions or thoughts.
Hilariously enough, most non-enthusiasts I rev my car for thinks it sounds great.
Also, I wonder if this will be a GT4 "Touring" model and be nearly the same price. It seems like there's very little "meat" in this article and this was written based off a 5 minute conversation with someone who knows something.
I'm frankly really tired of automobile journalism that just appeals to pop opinion rather than looking at things critically. The 2.5 is an amazing engine and performs amazingly, but crusty luddites are too busy whining about sound. Nobody has original opinions or thoughts.
Hilariously enough, most non-enthusiasts I rev my car for thinks it sounds great.
I think making the GT4 and Spyder a 6 is a mistake by Porsche (assuming they will have the flat 6). That to me indicates they are admitting the turbo flat 4 was a mistake, but to further put flat 6s in the 718 line just further re-enforces that and somewhat ostracizes those of us with the 4 banger engine. Heck, unless the 6 is needed for the racing series, the clubsport should be a revised 4 with more power. Will the next model of the 718 move to mostly 6s with perhaps the base being the only 4?
And it's really an even bigger mistake if they keep limiting the 718 line to lower power numbers than the 911s if they start putting out 6 cylinder models. You could sorta justify it with the 4 bangers. Do note the GT4/Spyder is only going to be confirmed well after Porsche has already announced the new 911s with more power so they are not significantly disturbing the family power tree.
But that said, I bought the car I like the drive of best when doing test drives, so I have what I wanted. If I wanted a different noise or felt I needed more power I would have bought a Z06 for less money than my Boxster cost. I've got tough thick skin so if anyone wants to give me crap for having a turbo 4 I can take it and I'll keep driving off with a nifty smile on my face.
But hey, it's all unconcern, unsubstantiated speculation at this point.
And it's really an even bigger mistake if they keep limiting the 718 line to lower power numbers than the 911s if they start putting out 6 cylinder models. You could sorta justify it with the 4 bangers. Do note the GT4/Spyder is only going to be confirmed well after Porsche has already announced the new 911s with more power so they are not significantly disturbing the family power tree.
But that said, I bought the car I like the drive of best when doing test drives, so I have what I wanted. If I wanted a different noise or felt I needed more power I would have bought a Z06 for less money than my Boxster cost. I've got tough thick skin so if anyone wants to give me crap for having a turbo 4 I can take it and I'll keep driving off with a nifty smile on my face.
But hey, it's all unconcern, unsubstantiated speculation at this point.
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I purchased my first Porsche in 2016. Although I loved the test drive in the 981 Cayman S, I was intimidated by the power and the cost. I decided to start small and build brand equity. I purchased a 981 base Cayman with no options. I loved the car.
In February 2018 I went to Barber Motorsports Park in Alabama for a Porsche two day "Sport Driving School". I got to drive different Porsches on the track, autocross and skid pad. I learned a lot and I want to go back. I soon felt like I was ready for more power.
I am a Cayman guy. I prefer the mid-engine handling. The Cayman fits me like a glove. Like so many others, I also love the N.A. flat six. The problem was I could no longer get a new Cayman with a flat six. I was disappointed. I adjusted my thinking.
I recently purchased a 2019 Cayman S 6MT with PASM and PTV which I love. The mid range torque and acceleration are phenomenal and the handling is sublime. I was disappointed with the sound initially until I removed the "Soundaktor" fuse. Without the "Soundaktor" the true engine sounds come through. The S has a big four cylinder engine with a big turbo. It is still really LOUD in sport mode, but I can make it quiet too.
If a flat six had been available in the Cayman this year, I would have purchased it. I also considered buying used, but decided against that. Like so many others, I have been hoping that Porsche would bring back the flat six, but I figured it was a victim of environmental regulations.
Then the new GT4 was unveiled. It looks awesome. I hope that maybe Porsche will offer a road going version like the 911 GT3 touring edition. Maybe the pundits will stop bashing the 718 now.
Now I see this post today about the flat six coming back in more of a road car. I hope it is true. I am not really interested in a GT4 for the road. The S/GTS is more than adequate. If Porsche does bring back the flat six in a Cayman more suited to the road than the track, that will likely be my next car. In the mean time, I am really enjoying the turbo four in the awesome 718 Cayman S. What a problem to have!
In February 2018 I went to Barber Motorsports Park in Alabama for a Porsche two day "Sport Driving School". I got to drive different Porsches on the track, autocross and skid pad. I learned a lot and I want to go back. I soon felt like I was ready for more power.
I am a Cayman guy. I prefer the mid-engine handling. The Cayman fits me like a glove. Like so many others, I also love the N.A. flat six. The problem was I could no longer get a new Cayman with a flat six. I was disappointed. I adjusted my thinking.
I recently purchased a 2019 Cayman S 6MT with PASM and PTV which I love. The mid range torque and acceleration are phenomenal and the handling is sublime. I was disappointed with the sound initially until I removed the "Soundaktor" fuse. Without the "Soundaktor" the true engine sounds come through. The S has a big four cylinder engine with a big turbo. It is still really LOUD in sport mode, but I can make it quiet too.
If a flat six had been available in the Cayman this year, I would have purchased it. I also considered buying used, but decided against that. Like so many others, I have been hoping that Porsche would bring back the flat six, but I figured it was a victim of environmental regulations.
Then the new GT4 was unveiled. It looks awesome. I hope that maybe Porsche will offer a road going version like the 911 GT3 touring edition. Maybe the pundits will stop bashing the 718 now.
Now I see this post today about the flat six coming back in more of a road car. I hope it is true. I am not really interested in a GT4 for the road. The S/GTS is more than adequate. If Porsche does bring back the flat six in a Cayman more suited to the road than the track, that will likely be my next car. In the mean time, I am really enjoying the turbo four in the awesome 718 Cayman S. What a problem to have!
Or, you know, passing them on the track 0
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This article is far from an official announcement, merely a lot of speculation based on a 'well-placed source'. I recall exactly the same thing happening ahead of the GTS being announced, with some publications proclaiming it was going to be a flat six. Why they thought this is beyond me...chester said:
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Nothing but click bait. Porsche is going all electric. 100% by 2027 is the game plan. Next Cayman/Boxster will be hybrid. Then EV. Everything else is not based in realty. NA flat 6 engines for the regular non GT cars? That's not even happening in the 911 anymore. In the 718? Laughable!
I'm guessing this is referring to an upcoming GT4 Touring model. As a fellow member who's also ordered a 718 GTS model, I'm having a little bit of regret but nothing I can do at this point. I already knew I wasn't going to get the most favourable model nor the model that's going to hold value very well (compared to a GT4 model which was bound to come out within the next year). What I do know is that I test drove the GTS and I liked it and that won't change even with the existence of a GT4 6 cylinder version.
I'll have fun driving the gts when it arrives and who knows, maybe sometime in my life I'll be in the position to get a GT3 Touring model which is truly the dream car I want.
I'll have fun driving the gts when it arrives and who knows, maybe sometime in my life I'll be in the position to get a GT3 Touring model which is truly the dream car I want.
I like your argument. Very straightforward. A flat six in a non GT car would have to have a very high MSRP. Could be a non-event (very low volume car) if the 718 flat six is even a reality.
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The 718's are fantastic performing Porsches. I get that people were upset they lost the sound of their beloved sixes. Time to get over it. Trashing these cars strictly on the basis of sound is pathetic in my opinion, especially considering Porsche's heritage.
Well, I have never owned a Porsche of any kind till now. 2019 CGTS. And I still haven't driven it yet, Till spring it's waiting at the dealership. I doubt I will miss the flat 6 since I never drove one . Or even heard one in person. I'm sure it won't sound as good as my Shelby gt 350 did. But I always wanted a Porsche. So I am estatic just waiting. The only sell about 5k boxter and cayman models a year in the states. So no matter what one you own it is a low volume car. Enjoy what you have a smile. There's a vast number of Americans who can't afford a Yugo , We are lucky to be able to own these wonderful machines. I feel pride. And no one can take that away
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i would be very happy if that comes to fruition. have you seen the prices of 912 cars lately?
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