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It would be helpful if members could post the experiences they had with their Porsche dealership and SA. That would help each of us if we are wanting to buy another Porsche and may need to reach out to a dealership/SA even in another state. Post honestly, the good, the bad and the ugly. I helped a person in Florida get a GT3 allocation at 15K over even though he lived in Florida he had no luck up to that point. Our Porsche brothers and sisters can do the same in the countries represented on this forum as well. This kind of information gives us leverage and helps us all make better deals and find the cars we want. In the case of the Rennlist member looking for a GT3 in Florida I was able to give him the SA’s name, telephone number and e-mail address and he had a deal within 24 hours of our communications.
 

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My SA at Downtown LA Porsche got me the best deal on my 718C, and not by a little, but by a lot. He was a pleasure to work with, very responsive, and it all went flawlessly.

On the other end of the ledger was The Auto Gallery Porsche in Woodland Hills. Their sales people treated me with what I can only describe as disdain as I wasn't ordering an expensive enough Porsche. Plus, they gave me the real hard sell on a car I specifically told them that I didn't want, which I didn't appreciate. Since they are so close to where I live, I take my car there for service. Contrary to their sales people, their service people are spectacular.
 
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I had a great experience at Wallingford Porsche in CT after having a less-than-great experience at Hoffman Porsche in Hartford.
If people would let us know if your dealerships charge MSRP or MSRP + ADM for the halo cars that will be helpful. I will be listing several dealerships & SA's I communicated with that were willing to help and with my GT car quest as well as some dealerships that were extremely uncooperative and dismissive.
 

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My dealership experience at Prestige Imports in Denver with my wife’s Macan and my Cayman was exceptional! The Brand Ambassador knew everything about the product/brand, was transparent through the entire process, and we never felt uncomfortable or pressured. Oh wait, i sold them to myself;).

Really, if you need anything, just ask.
 

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My dealership experience at Prestige Imports in Denver with my wife’s Macan and my Cayman was exceptional! The Brand Ambassador knew everything about the product/brand, was transparent through the entire process, and we never felt uncomfortable or pressured. Oh wait, i sold them to myself;).

Really, if you need anything, just ask.
Great....how about the GT cars how many allocations did your dealership get for GT3s and were they sold at MSRP or MSRP + ADM. Does your dealership have any buildable GT3 allocations left? What have you heard about the release of the GT3-RS? Does your dealership have any allocations or will they be getting any? Anticipated ADM for the RS? There are some dealerships that have certain internal criteria they use to allocate GT cars how does your dealership handle it? My concern even with the dealerships that sell GT cars at MSRP they often want you to buy several cars, in essence a round-about ADM, before being considered for the coveted MSRP GT car.
Please provide any information you can?
 

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Great....how about the GT cars how many allocations did your dealership get for GT3s and were they sold at MSRP or MSRP + ADM. Does your dealership have any buildable GT3 allocations left? What have you heard about the release of the GT3-RS? Does your dealership have any allocations or will they be getting any? Anticipated ADM for the RS? There are some dealerships that have certain internal criteria they use to allocate GT cars how does your dealership handle it? My concern even with the dealerships that sell GT cars at MSRP they often want you to buy several cars, in essence a round-about ADM, before being considered for the coveted MSRP GT car.
Please provide any information you can?
What I'm going to tell you most of you already know but either choose not to accept or just turn a blind eye. We price our GT cars to the average market value. What the industry is charging, we normally reflect. Also, there is not a rock hard number of allocations for anything. Sure, cars like the GT2RS and 918 are much more of a challenge to get more of, but even then something might come up. We currently do not have any GT3 allocations but there may be more coming in the next batch. Of course we will be getting a handful of GT3RS allocations but as with Porsche, anything you hear we generally hear at the same time. Concerning ADM on the GT3RS, we don't normally set anything beforehand or agree to anything beforehand. Once more, we allow the market to dictate that.

Out "criteria" if you want to call it that is simple. Those customers that are regular buyers to our dealership and have a solid relationship get first choice and generally less of an ADM. As I've learned, great customers expect great service and they get it when they have a mutual understanding that we too have to run a business just like themselves. They don't waste their time trying to get a "great deal" because they have already paid their way into consistently getting great service, first access to the best cars, and the lowest ADM. It's our way of showing loyalty and appreciation.
 

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I too am in Colorado. I consider the three biggest Porsche dealers here as Porsche of Colorado Springs, Prestige Imports and Stevenson Imports. The person I liked a Stevinson Imports left and let me say this, the people that are left, will not care about you at all unless you're paying over and doing the work for them. Absolutely poor customer service, so much so that I hated the 718C my first time around due to the sales rep. Their knowledge of the cars is all on the sticker and website, they'll tell you the drove and compared them to competition, but when you ask for exact details they'll just say Porsche always drives better. Not only that, the finance manager is an ass.

Prestige Imports customer service is excellent and they know their stuff. They will go the extra distance to make you feel valued, but price will not budge a single penny. If you don't mind this then this is the place for you.

Porsche of Colorado Springs, I encourage people to go to their website just to browse to get a sense of how they differ from the previous two. Not only is the location well built and inventory sweet, the staff was extremely knowledgable and transparent. I worked with Joe during my search and it was exactly what you'd expect and want from someone helping you with your decision. Instead of being pressured to spend more or move up in model/price, everything was realistic and the feedback was valuable. I was given honest advice about the car I drove and bought, versus the other options on the lot when I asked about them. To me that was important because he took what I said I wanted and was looking for and delivered on that.

While I can only take the word of the person, it is VERY different when someone sells you a Porsche because it's their paycheck, versus someone invested in the brand and is also a customer.
 

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They don't waste their time trying to get a "great deal" because they have already paid their way into consistently getting great service, first access to the best cars, and the lowest ADM. It's our way of showing loyalty and appreciation.
Well that has not been the case with my limited experience with Porsche dealerships and I will expand upon that in a latter post on this thread. Purchased my Porsche from Park Place in Dallas a pretty big dealership and got a modest discount of 4% off the MSRP and paid cash. I had them do a Llumar PPF and paid for enclosed carry to my home. The PPF they placed on still had water around the edges at delivery and dirt trapped under portions of the PPF. The PPF covered front end and rocker panels and they handsomely overcharged me and did a substandard job. Then regarding the enclosed carry they had a 250lb man deliver the car but he had to climb into and out of the window of my new car since he could not get out of the car by opening the door once on the trailer. Although, they re-did the PPF when they delivered the Porsche there were 3 small chips on the roof of the driver side.
Fast forward to the quest for my GT3 and the sales manager did not even have the courtesy to respond to my request for a GT3 allocation..........

One other thing GTS Daddy, most of us are not looking for a "great deal" but we also don't want to be.......what is the industry term........"slammed dunked" either.
 

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Porsche of Colorado Springs, I encourage people to go to their website just to browse to get a sense of how they differ from the previous two. Not only is the location well built and inventory sweet, the staff was extremely knowledgable and transparent. I worked with Joe during my search and it was exactly what you'd expect and want from someone helping you with your decision. Instead of being pressured to spend more or move up in model/price, everything was realistic and the feedback was valuable. I was given honest advice about the car I drove and bought, versus the other options on the lot when I asked about them. To me that was important because he took what I said I wanted and was looking for and delivered on that.

While I can only take the word of the person, it is VERY different when someone sells you a Porsche because it's their paycheck, versus someone invested in the brand and is also a customer.

I like Joe. I spent allot of time talking with him and we went out on a test drive with the Guards red GT4 they had on the lot. He is personable and quite knowledgable. I was not as impressed with their inventory.......they have about 5 prior year GT3s all with the "E" and "F" engines and Porsche did not resolve the problem with the scoring of the cylinders until after engines G05373 and higher at that point they went to DLC coated cams. A fair number of the "E" and "F", and some of the earlier "G" engines required replacement. The biggest problem I had with the Springs dealership was they were not competitively priced compared to just about all the dealerships I contacted.
Though, I do agree with you if I was buying a car Joe would be a great person to work with.
 

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Well that has not been the case with my limited experience with Porsche dealerships and I will expand upon that in a latter post on this thread. Purchased my Porsche from Park Place in Dallas a pretty big dealership and got a modest discount of 4% off the MSRP and paid cash. I had them do a Llumar PPF and paid for enclosed carry to my home. The PPF they placed on still had water around the edges at delivery and dirt trapped under portions of the PPF. The PPF covered front end and rocker panels and they handsomely overcharged me and did a substandard job. Then regarding the enclosed carry they had a 250lb man deliver the car but he had to climb into and out of the window of my new car since he could not get out of the car by opening the door once on the trailer. Although, they re-did the PPF when they delivered the Porsche there were 3 small chips on the roof of the driver side.
Fast forward to the quest for my GT3 and the sales manager did not even have the courtesy to respond to my request for a GT3 allocation..........

One other thing GTS Daddy, most of us are not looking for a "great deal" but we also don't want to be.......what is the industry term........"slammed dunked" either.
That sounds frustrating. I’m sure you had a good conversation with them after the incidents, correct? Also, as you know and the purpose of this thread, not all dealerships are created equal. If your experience with the brand ambassador and sales manager is compromised, then they might not be a good fit for you. It can take some time to find the right fit concerning your dealership experience.

Considering your GT3 search, when did you reach out with the initial request?
 

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The SA I would recommend is Chris at Plano Porsche. He was my SA at Park Place Porsche in Dallas and he was always responsive and helpful. I was trying to learn about the Porsche brand and figure out how to speck out my car and called Chris with numerous questions and he was always very decent and would always end the conversations with “no worries”. Though, I would absolutely not recommend Park Place Porsche fortunately Chris has moved on to Plano Porsche. Chris did offer me a buildable allocations for GT3 a few months back that I was silly enough to turn them down at 20K over MSRP because at the time I was under the mistaken belief you never pay over MSRP; well welcome to the real GT world. You pay it one way or the other, that is, up front or with multiple car purchases’ then lose the money to vehicle depreciation on resale.
The number one dealership in the country is Champion Porsche in Florida. They gave me the best deal on the GT3 at 15K over and if you are looking for a limited production car even late in the game that is the place to start. They are such a successful dealership they get more if not the most allocations of all the Porsche dealerships. I spoke and worked with James Ardini.
I am presently working with Beau Rice, the general sales manager at Porsche Austin on my GT3 purchase, and he has been very responsive and helpful. I called him and he had all the paperwork done and went to V200 with a tracking sheet, and commission number in a day or two. No deposit was requested or needed to place my order for the 2018 991.2 GT3.
I worked briefly with Michael Ulibarri at Porsche in Irvine California. He was able to get me a buildable allocation pretty quick but at 25K over it was not the best deal. I think if you live in California you could work a better deal. He was very sharp and I would have liked to work with him…..a straight shooter.
I would not recommend San Antonio Porsche dealership. They are pretty small and when I asked an SA to contact me when he acquired a 718 allocation he never contacted me. Also had a bad experience when my wife and I visited the dealership and asked to test drive a 2017 911. The SA asked if we would like to test drive the car together and we said yes; he then returned after 5 minutes and stated we could test drive the car but not together. I guess being dressed in jeans and sneakers he assumed I couldn’t afford the car. That is the only dealership that ever did that, and so, deserve a special place in our hearts.
 

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I had a good experience at Champion Porsche and SA James Angel. I originally ordered at The Collection in Coral Gables, FL (Miami), since I live closer to the dealer. I prefer the vibe at Champion, very low key compared to the showy Miami vibe at The Collection. I ended up getting a better price at Champion on a dealer spec car.
 

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I have someone that is looking to purchase an allocation for a Turbo S Exclusive and willing to pay 100K over MSRP.......if anyone has any leads PM me.
 

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If you are willing listing your SA that would be helpful especially if he or she deserves recognition with contact information. Also If people would let us know if your dealerships charge MSRP or MSRP + ADM for the halo cars that will be helpful. I will be listing several dealerships & SA's I communicated with that were willing to help and with my GT car quest as well as some dealerships that were extremely uncooperative and dismissive.

I worked with Craig at Porsche of Wallingford. He answered all my questions, and saved me some money by talking me out of a couple options. He's still a salesman, but I trusted him a lot more than the other people I'd interacted with.

I don't own a 718, I needed a daily driver and wanted AWD so went with the Macan S, but a Cayman is hopefully in my future (and I'd gladly go back to Craig). I got 4% off MSRP without any negotiation, but to be honest I think I lowballed myself bc this was my first Porsche and my experience at the first dealership skewed what I thought I could get (they held firm on $500 flat off MSRP for all custom orders).
 

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I worked with Craig Chase at Porsche of Wallingford. He answered all my questions, and saved me some money by talking me out of a couple options. He's still a salesman, but I trusted him a lot more than the other people I'd interacted with.

I don't own a 718, I needed a daily driver and wanted AWD so went with the Macan S, but a Cayman is hopefully in my future (and I'd gladly go back to Craig). I got 4% off MSRP without any negotiation, but to be honest I think I lowballed myself bc this was my first Porsche and my experience at the first dealership skewed what I thought I could get (they held firm on $500 flat off MSRP for all custom orders).
Thanks for the heads up regarding Craig. The issue is this, if you try to cold call a dealership you get the receptionist that assigns you to whoever is available and that makes finding a good SA near impossible. The key is word of mouth from people with first hand experience.
 

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I dealt with {someone at Porsche of Wallingford} too ... I probably would have placed my order {there} if he didn’t one, cop an attitude when he realized he was competing with other dealers, two, had an allocation, and three, offered a competitive price.
Thanks for the honest feedback. This is the kind of feedback that's necessary and useful.
 

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I have someone that is looking to purchase an allocation for a Turbo S Exclusive and willing to pay 100K over MSRP.......if anyone has any leads PM me.
We have an Exclusive Brand Specialist at our store, recently I had a guest come in asking for the same car you mentioned. To my understanding, they have all been allocated already. Pre-sold... I will ask when I see my buddy again, but I'm pretty sure that they're already all spoken for. As far as $100k over MSRP, those cars will sell for "market value". Some dealerships of course sell well above market value, but I don't know what market value is for the Turbo S Exclusive. Example: "market value" for a GT2 RS right now, which people are fighting over to get their hands on one, is between $250-300k over MSRP. That's right this minute. That price could potentially go up as production and delivery inches closer.
 

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I dealt with Craig too. He was a nice guy until he realized I was going to get quotes (for a custom ordered Cayman) from 3 dealers, including his. He was insulted that I would do that after he spent his time with me - 45 minutes and a short test drive.

Once he realized I was shopping around and he wasn’t alone for my business he said his dealership didn’t have an allocation anyway and only offered me a 2% discount. I ended up placing my order with another local dealer who had an allocation and offered a 7.25% discount.

I probably would have placed my order with him if he didn’t one, cop an attitude when he realized he was competing with other dealers, two, had an allocation, and three, offered a competitive price.
Sales associates and dealerships tend to shy away from discounting ordered cars. It's just simply too much work and headache for a small reward. I've heard of deep discounts on ordered cars, but these are generally isolated incidences. A lot of the time when big discounts occur for ordered cars is because the dealership itself is really close to hitting some type of major goal that would award them additional allocations or spiffs of some kind.... Porsche is not a great brand for discounts.
 
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