[sevencyclist]

Anyone considered Jaguar F against the Cayman?

For me it was one of the possibilities because it has manual transmission. Ultimately I chose sports over luxury. The British Racing Green machine had lost its appeal for me over the years as the car became “modern.”

 

[carlb]

I considered an F-Type. Mainly because it is absolutely gorgeous. Jaguar managed to take a basic form that they and Aston Martin, primarily, have been noodling on for more than a decade and they just nailed the form. They went beyond the visuals and got the aural design spot on too. It is a beautiful and reasonably fast GT car. It seems to be a car that generates emotions. In the end, the F-Type was third on my list behind the M2 Competition and the 718 Cayman S. The Alfa Romeo 4C was the passion play, wildcard on the list. Luckily, you can't get the 4C in manual. I might have one instead of a Cayman, if they did.

 

[johan]

I considered an F-Type. Mainly because it is absolutely gorgeous. Jaguar managed to take a basic form that they and Aston Martin, primarily, have been noodling on for more than a decade and they just nailed the form. They went beyond the visuals and got the aural design spot on too. It is a beautiful and reasonably fast GT car. It seems to be a car that generates emotions. In the end, the F-Type was third on my list behind the M2 Competition and the 718 Cayman S. The Alfa Romeo 4C was the passion play, wildcard on the list. Luckily, you can't get the 4C in manual. I might have one instead of a Cayman, if they did.

I had never seen a 4C until last summer when i got overtaken on the motorway and D-mn what a sound!!!
Wide as a buss and low as a Gokart :laugh:

 

[trusted]

Wanted to rent one for a weekend. Had a passenger and couldn't fit my very small carry on bag anywhere. What a joke. Jaguar F Type = zero trunk space...no frunk...the end.

 

[TEST DRyVer]

F-type Supercharged V6 and V8 are both amazing (of course the V6 is the only one offered in a manual, at least to my knowledge)! They look Stunning, they both sound fantastic, and they feel very much like a sports car. They drive very differently than a 718. To drive the F-type properly, you have to drive with the rear end. It's not a grip car like the 718, it's a drift car with class... I think they're beautiful, but if you're really considering it, look up the reliability. It's extremely poor! This is not a car you buy new! You either lease new or buy 2-3 years used with a killer warranty. Everytime we have an F-type in, it spends more time IN the shop, than any other car we take in on trade, with the exception of any Range Rover/ Land Rover product. And to no surprise, they're owned by the same Indian company (TATA Motors), and share several of the same engines and components. The Brits make beautiful cars, more show pieces than anything. And when they are driving, they drive well, problem is, they're not always driving. The break-down ratio in these cars is extremely high! It makes BMW and Mercedes look as reliable as a Lexus =) sad part is, I'm being serious. I say consider leasing an F-type, if that's what you have your heart set on, or better yet, buy an M2 Comp Pkg if the 718 is too perfect. That really is one of the only downside to the 718. They're a bit too perfect. That's why I would consider a 911 or a properly modded 718 for my next dedicated sports car. Because they're a bit less predictable and a bit less perfect. That's also why I like the M2 Comp Pkg so much! It's all of these things... It's not perfect engineering, it's n a$$ first car that you really need to learn how to drive, or you kill yourself learning. See, the 718 can be driven fairly well by anyone with some driving experience, but the limitations of the 718 platform can only be really exploited if you push the 718 hard! And when you do, it's properly rewarding, and you will beat faster cars with a 718 when you learn those limitations. I'm not saying I'm an expert in driving this car, far from it, but it's definitely easier to drive than all the other cars mentioned. Which in my opinion, is good and bad...

 

[Beardy]

I initially thought I wanted a Cayman but when the time came, apart from performance the interior felt very similar to my Cayenne and I felt like I needed a bit more of a change
I looked closely at an F type and drove few and they are a nice bit of gear and it had a completely different feel to a Porsche
On the way home from the Jag dealership we dropped into the Porsche dealership for a look and the wife just melted when seeing the Cayman and said it had to be the Porsche, the Jag doesn’t cut it and she is right, the Germans just have that special touch the English don’t have
We decided on a GTS though because it had the Alcantera interior and a more aggressive look. To be honest I didn’t need the extra performance but it is nice just the same

The F type is a good looking car though but no regrets with my decision

 

[TEST DRyVer]

I had never seen a 4C until last summer when i got overtaken on the motorway and D-mn what a sound!!!
Wide as a buss and low as a Gokart :laugh:

The Alfa 4C is Sex on wheels! No doubt... But it's not a functional sports car. You can't take a local trip in the car because of the limited space, and c'mon, NO MANUAL!?!? Why? That would be a true competition to our 718's if they had just offered a manual (and a wee-bit of luggage space). Plus, I'm 6'4 210 lbs. When you see the 4C in person, standing right next to it, it looks smaller than a Miata MX-5. It's really difficult to get in and out of, hence the functionality remark, but dämn they're beautiful!

 

[Grasshopper]

There's a program on Dave about how "dream cars" are built and there's one about the 4C - also one about the F type. They show the production line and the whole process of building the car. Obviously the Jaguar is mainly built by robots but the 4C is mainly built by hand - especially the body where the composite panels are literally made by hand. Also the central carbon fibre tub is painstakingly put together by a group of Italians using a jig and then glued together, followed by the workers then screwing on the front and rear subframes and then hand assembling the whole external body and screwing it in place. Then someone goes round with a tool to measure the panel gaps and adjust as necessary. Also the mechanicals are seriously non-standard and mainly built specially for lightness. I think the whole car comes in under 1000kgs.

This truly is a specialist car and it's incredible that it can be made for the price but after watching how they build it I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole. I haven't seen any figures for reliability but I suspect that it's considerably worse than even the Jag or the Range-Rover. And it's actually wider than a Range-Rover too.

 

[Baka1969]

I'm just going to be blunt. Jag makes junk. Reliability speaking. It's appalling. Having owned two myself years ago. They actually had to replace my car with a new one it was that bad. Guess what? The second one was just as bad.

The problem was, they were actually great cars. It's a shame they can't get their act together and build a quality product. Those Lucas jokes weren't just hyperbole. That cheeky attitude about British character never left Jaguar. As the poor reliability never left.

I've learned my lessons the hard way. I won't spend a large premium on crap again.

Plus, have you seen the abysmal depreciation on Jags? Yikes! That's just burning money if you buy new. Plus buying used is a crap shoot. I'll be passing on any Jag.

Don't try to tell me how "good" their quality is today. It's not. Don't try to convince me it's worth it because of how great the cars are. It's not.

I'll paraphrase an expression: 'No matter how pretty the Jag is, someone will eventually get sick of their crap'.

Go Porsche Cayman!

 

[Calimerus]

Anyone considered Jaguar F against the Cayman?

I did it

Went to see it before placing order for the Cayman.

The Jag, from outside is very interesting.

It has a very nice design and is more rare than a Porsche.

Here finishes what I liked.



In general all the other things, especially in the interior, looks old or cheap if compared to the Cayman.

The infotainment looks totally crap.


And, the other problem is that the car is very big and very very wide.

You'll have a lot of problem trying to park it in a garage, if used as a daily drive.

 

[grasmere]

I didi it

Went to see it before placing order for the Cayman.

The Jag, from outside is very interesting.

It has a very nice design and is more rare than a Porsche.

Here finishes what I liked.



In general all the other things, especially in the interior, looks old or cheap if compared to the Cayman.

The infotainment looks totally crap.


And, the other problem is that the car is very big and very very wide.

You'll have a lot of problem trying to park it in a garage, if used as a daily drive.

My thoughts exactly, I 'did' consider looking but just hated the interior, ie what Ide be looking at all the time I was sitting in it so no, cayman wins hands (and foot) down!

 

[Semitone]

I hung out with both an R and 4c at autoX last year. Just couldn’t take my eyes off or stop drooling over either car. Both a work of art, IMO. Went home and played on the configurator. I even went to a Jag dealer and sat in the F type. Didn’t like the rear visibility of the coupe so that killed it for me. Nonetheless, both stunningly beautiful cars to me. Maybe I need to take a second look....rats!!

 

[Peter]

I considered a Jag because the naturally aspirated six but swung against because the high depreciation, the poor fuel economy (important here given gas is 2.5 times that in US) and the interior is dated. Comes across as 'an old man's sports car'. It's actually not in competition with the 718, moreso 'a poor man's 911' as a grand tourer despite only two seats. Having said all that, it's very old now and about to be replaced. That could be a totally different story.

 

[8833]

I too, considered the F Type and the ALfa 4C. Reliability research killed my deep emotional attachment to the F Type- and it was too similar to my V8 Audi S5 (heavy).

If the 4C was offered with a manual I may have gone down that rabbit hole because my wife's Alfa Stelvio has been so good and so reliable that I would have purchased a 4C.

 

[timlaw]

interesting stuff

I actually owned an F Type S for 18 months up to about 13 months ago

a lot of what was said above is true save for reliability in my experience - over 5 years of owning a 4.2 XKR, a 5.0 XKR and the F Type ithink I went to the dealer once for a warranty repair over 50,000 miles

if you are going to buy one then I agree with the advice lease or buy pre-owned from a Jaguar dealer with 2 years of peace of mind as new warranty cover - BUT I would probably give that advice to any one buying any type of car

I liked but did not love the F Type but I loved the 5.0 litre XKR a lot more - my XKR is in the background of this photo

the F Type is drop dead gorgeous and people almost on a daily basis walk out of their way to say "nice car mate" - people let you out of junctions with a wave and a smile and that is not so much the experience of driving any of the 7 Porsches I have owned (ie the exact opposite)


as to infotainment - yes a bit dated but not much worse than a 981 Cayman to be honest but PCM4 is on a different level


so what happened? I got invited by a mate to the PEC at Silverstone as his +1 as he was considering a Cayman 718 as his next car (be bought a 987) for the "718 experience" - 2 hours with an instructor thrashing a 718S Cayman around the handling circuits and the F Type had to go - it wasn't that the F Type was suddenly a bad car it was that the 718 was so amazing.


anyway I had always been a 911 guy so enter 13 months ago a black 991 Carrera S

a truly great car but more of a GT car now than my beloved 993 and I couldn't shake from my head how much I had been wowed by that darned 718 Cayman s - so a visit to the local Porsche Centre 3 months ago and exit 991 and enter 718 Cayman GTS

bottom line the CGTS is on another level to an F Type which is why I have the silver car now

Tim

 

[carlb]

If the 4C was offered with a manual I may have gone down that rabbit hole because my wife's Alfa Stelvio has been so good and so reliable that I would have purchased a 4C.

It's got a Camry engine. It's gotta be pretty reliable with the heart of a Toyota!

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[RGM718]

I cross shop before buying and still, I am on my 5th Cayman. My POV for what it is worth. It is amazing how the Cayman spoils one who truly enjoys the driving experience.

 

[JakiChan]

I did compare them. V6 made a great noise. Handles poorly in comparison. Poor visibility. The interior was larger but less comfy. And they depreciate like crazy.

 

[Uz718]

I drove a F Type 400 Sport before buying my 718 (I had a 981 at the time)
All noise.

It handled like a bathtub.
Interior was nothing special even in this "limited edition" version
Poor fuel return
Visibility none existant
Gearbox was SLOW nowhere near a PDK even in sport mode.
The backfiring exhaust got old after about 20 minutes but it was a nice V6 growl
The boot isn't a boot.
The nav system was the cheapest crappiest Chinese junk they could find.
The Meridian sound system was average.


Not impressed. If you want one, buy a 2 year old one, depreciation is quite something on those F Types.

 

[TEST DRyVer]

It's got a Camry engine. It's gotta be pretty reliable with the heart of a Toyota!

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Wut ?!? I don't think so, buddy... You must be mistaking the Alfa with the Lotus. Lotus was using fortified Toyota engines, and the engines in those cars were reliable, but unfortunately the rest of the car didn't fair out nearly as well, at least reliably speaking...