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I have a 718 Cayman S with manual and sport chrono. When I drive the car in 'Sport' the throttle response is noticeably sharper. However, when I put it into 'Sport+' the throttle response is definitely less sharp than in 'Sport'. Shouldn't it be at least as sharp as in 'Sport', if not more so? I do notice that the turbo gauge becomes more active in 'Sport+' but it doesn't actually feel any faster than in 'Sport'.
The car is otherwise amazing. I'm almost at 2000 km so have been pushing it a bit more - it is FAST.
 

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I have a 718 Cayman S with manual and sport chrono. When I drive the car in 'Sport' the throttle response is noticeably sharper. However, when I put it into 'Sport+' the throttle response is definitely less sharp than in 'Sport'. Shouldn't it be at least as sharp as in 'Sport', if not more so? I do notice that the turbo gauge becomes more active in 'Sport+' but it doesn't actually feel any faster than in 'Sport'.
The car is otherwise amazing. I'm almost at 2000 km so have been pushing it a bit more - it is FAST.
My S is four days old, a manual chrono as well, so I've yet to spend any time at all in Sport+. I've certainly noticed that initial tip in is sharper in Sport than Normal. But, I wouldn't find it surprising if it that was dialed back a bit in Sport+. On track, presumably what Sport+ was intended for, one typically looks for more precision/linear behavior rather than an overly aggressive/nervous one. As for the boost staying up, that makes sense to me, as presumably in Sport+ they're more aggressive with the VVT keeping the engine on the boil. Personally, I wouldn't trust my butt dyno in terms of judging faster. Its likely only measured in a tenth of a second here or there which is both difficult to discern and pretty meaningless in on road circumstance.
 

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@Tailwagger and @Ycanada -- glad you're enjoying your new manual S cars. On the subject of FAST: I've had mine (manual S) almost a year and am still searching for the answer to "how is this even possible?". As to relative speed per Mode: you may have missed this graphic, from a tuner baseline run in all 3 modes. Car you tell Normal, Sport, and Sport+ from the plots?
 

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Great answers, thanks! The reason I brought this up is because my previous car was a manual 2014 Cayman S with Sport Chrono. In Sport+ the throttle response was at least as responsive as Sport if not more so. I also have another issue where when you let off the gas you can feel a bump and another bump when you get back on the gas, kind of like the engine mounts are too soft or something. I'll bring my car to the dealer in a couple of weeks to see if this is normal.
 

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Thanks ZuffenHouseRules! Hadnt seen that, but its pretty much confirms what I'd expect. Presumably the ECU mapping is fixed, whats really changing is just throttle sensitivity. That chart shows less variance than I've seen from some 3 run sets where nothing changed. Presumably any mode can make maximum boost, the VVT magic is more around maintaining power during brief drops in RPM, like upshifts so all modes showing pretty much the same thing makes sense to me.

On the bump thing, I can confirm that I've noticed a slight amount of driveline lash when lifting at certain RPM. One car I test drove had quite a bit more of it than the one I bought, which has almost none, but occasionally on a throttle lift I can still feel something moving a bit. Again, I really haven't had the seat time to experiment, but if what your noticing is something related to the mounts, trying to reproduce it in all three modes might be enlightening.

Actually its more like the mounts are too stiff not soft. It might seem counterintuitive, but I'd wager you'd find things are smoother in Normal as the mounts are softer and the engine is freer to move independently. I can tell you from my race car, where everything is solid mounts, thats things clunk all the time on and off throttle. ie one thing moves they all bang about because everything is so tightly tied together. Goosing the motor strains the mounts as the engine twists which transmits shock to the chassis. When the mounts are softer, what was transmitted engine motion is now absorbed and softened by the mounts, thus you don't notice it. The reason, BTW, you want things tied down firmly is for cornering. The softer mounts allow the lump to squirm around under lateral load particularly in fast transitions. Limiting that motion by stiffing the mounts enhances handling precision and makes things more predictable.
 

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Tailwagger, I tried as you suggested after reading your post and the lash is actually more noticeable in sport+ where the dynamic transmission mounts are stiffened up. You know your stuff, thanks for the explanation!
 
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