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Hi guys. Yesterday I completed the swap of my 2014 981 BS to a 2022 718 Spyder. I'm very happy with the move. Between the lines, looks, and performance the 718 is an amazing step up. But this is the first time I've ever owned a car of this caliber/capability and there are a few things that I have questions about. Maybe some of you would be kind enough to give me some advice.

First - the tires. It came with Dunlap Sport Maxx Race 2 tires. I get these are for tracking as its a GT car. But as of now I don't plan to track it and will just drive for pleasure on public roads when the weather is nice. I mostly drive casually - not sporty, not spirited. These Dunlap's are so sticky they pick up everything. Even small rocks will embed in the soft compound. What do I need to do here especially through the break-in period? Is selling the tires and replacing them with a more appropriate road tire something I should consider? There is a small possibility I will track it at some point. In that case should I take these off and store them in my garage and drive with street tires (which ones?), then swap back to the Dunlap's if I ever go to the track? What do others do? How much of a pain is it to swap out tires? Seems arduous to me.

Second - the black paint. It is absolutely gorgeous, but I didn't spec the car and it wouldn't have been my first choice because of the care required. It was at the dealer b/c someone had spec'd it and couldn't afford to complete the purchase when it came in. My gain, but what to do about this paint? At most I will drive it 2000 miles/year. Rarely on the freeway, rarely on crowded streets. I was considering PPF, but given my driving habits, I'm leaning towards frequent touch free car washes (power washer, foam cannon, hand dryer) followed by wax/ceramic coating. It will always be stored in my garage (live in TX) and not exposed to the direct sun. Will this be a good strategy to keep it looking the way it is now?

Third - the exhaust. At low rpms the 981 S sounded 10x better than this 718. I know once I get the 718 into the upper rev range after break-in it should sound better than it does now, but man I miss the sound of the 981 flat 6 especially when casually driving on the public roads with the top down. I was also stoked about the sport exhaust on the 718 but it seems the valves don't open till higher in the rev range, which I can't hit for another 1900 miles. Is there a solution for all of this?

I'll stop with these 3 items. Appreciate your advice/experience/suggestions in advance.
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Most folks who track cars don't swap the tires. They have an extra set of rims with track tires on them and swap out the whole set. If tracking isn't going to be anything you do you may want to consider more of an all season tire on the car. I would just drive on the current tires until they need replacing. Probably not going to get much if you try to sell the tires.

As far as paint. PPF isn't just for rock chips, its to keep all of those swirl marks off of the car. Given that though, you could just have the ceramic done and every few years get a paint correction done to remove the swirls and another ceramic coat applied. PPF on the whole car isn't cheap. You could however get a partial PPF done or what's often referred to as a Track Pack. It's more PPF than a partial but still not the whole car. It covers all of the highest probability chip locations.

As far as the exhaust. There seem to be a lot of options for improving the sound but the bottom line is that this is an engine that sounds best in the higher rev zone and that's where it sounds best.
 

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If you’re not happy with the Dunlops then buy a set of MPS4S’ and sell the Dunlops.
Paint: if you don’t want to PPF then a good ceramic coating done by a professional detailer should suffice and it will need to be paint corrected first to get the best results
Exhaust: lots of options out there and it depends on how deep your pockets are and how loud you want to go. If you look at Matt Morman’s YouTube channel he preferred the soul performance over axle pipes and the standard back box.
 

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Hi guys. Yesterday I completed the swap of my 2014 981 BS to a 2022 718 Spyder. I'm very happy with the move. Between the lines, looks, and performance the 718 is an amazing step up. But this is the first time I've ever owned a car of this caliber/capability and there are a few things that I have questions about. Maybe some of you would be kind enough to give me some advice.

First - the tires. It came with Dunlap Sport Maxx Race 2 tires. I get these are for tracking as its a GT car. But as of now I don't plan to track it and will just drive for pleasure on public roads when the weather is nice. I mostly drive casually - not sporty, not spirited. These Dunlap's are so sticky they pick up everything. Even small rocks will embed in the soft compound. What do I need to do here especially through the break-in period? Is selling the tires and replacing them with a more appropriate road tire something I should consider? There is a small possibility I will track it at some point. In that case should I take these off and store them in my garage and drive with street tires (which ones?), then swap back to the Dunlap's if I ever go to the track? What do others do? How much of a pain is it to swap out tires? Seems arduous to me.

Second - the black paint. It is absolutely gorgeous, but I didn't spec the car and it wouldn't have been my first choice because of the care required. It was at the dealer b/c someone had spec'd it and couldn't afford to complete the purchase when it came in. My gain, but what to do about this paint? At most I will drive it 2000 miles/year. Rarely on the freeway, rarely on crowded streets. I was considering PPF, but given my driving habits, I'm leaning towards frequent touch free car washes (power washer, foam cannon, hand dryer) followed by wax/ceramic coating. It will always be stored in my garage (live in TX) and not exposed to the direct sun. Will this be a good strategy to keep it looking the way it is now?

Third - the exhaust. At low rpms the 981 S sounded 10x better than this 718. I know once I get the 718 into the upper rev range after break-in it should sound better than it does now, but man I miss the sound of the 981 flat 6 especially when casually driving on the public roads with the top down. I was also stoked about the sport exhaust on the 718 but it seems the valves don't open till higher in the rev range, which I can't hit for another 1900 miles. Is there a solution for all of this?

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Congratulations for being in the right place at the right toime to snag a great car.

I agree with @RobertM on driving the current tires until they need to be replaced and then going with the Michelin PS4S. And those are still plenty good for an occasional track day or autocross. I think two sets of wheels is overkill unless you become a track junkie. I also agree on the paint suggestion. I have a 2022 Carmine Red CGTS that, although not as challenging as black, still shows swirl marks and imperfections much more so than my previous white Cayman. I went with "full front" PPF and ceramic coating on the rest, including wheels and glass. Total cost for both was around $5,500, but after 14 months and going on 6,000 miles the car still looks perfect. I gently hand wash and dry it pretty regularly....I am not comfortable with power washing or foam guns, as the high power washer I have for my deck/flagstone has a warning that spraying your foot or other appendages could lead to amputation.

I am a little surprised that you are unhappy with the sound. I went from a 2014 981 Cayman S to the 2022 Caymans GTS 4.0 and it sounds great to me. But my 2014 did not have a sport exhaust. I'd hold off until you get through the break in period, and then see if you are still disappointed once you can give it more rpms.

Congratulations again. Black would not have been my top choice either, but that picture of yours looks outstanding!

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Hi guys. Yesterday I completed the swap of my 2014 981 BS to a 2022 718 Spyder. I'm very happy with the move. Between the lines, looks, and performance the 718 is an amazing step up. But this is the first time I've ever owned a car of this caliber/capability and there are a few things that I have questions about. Maybe some of you would be kind enough to give me some advice.

First - the tires. It came with Dunlap Sport Maxx Race 2 tires. I get these are for tracking as its a GT car. But as of now I don't plan to track it and will just drive for pleasure on public roads when the weather is nice. I mostly drive casually - not sporty, not spirited. These Dunlap's are so sticky they pick up everything. Even small rocks will embed in the soft compound. What do I need to do here especially through the break-in period? Is selling the tires and replacing them with a more appropriate road tire something I should consider? There is a small possibility I will track it at some point. In that case should I take these off and store them in my garage and drive with street tires (which ones?), then swap back to the Dunlap's if I ever go to the track? What do others do? How much of a pain is it to swap out tires? Seems arduous to me.

Second - the black paint. It is absolutely gorgeous, but I didn't spec the car and it wouldn't have been my first choice because of the care required. It was at the dealer b/c someone had spec'd it and couldn't afford to complete the purchase when it came in. My gain, but what to do about this paint? At most I will drive it 2000 miles/year. Rarely on the freeway, rarely on crowded streets. I was considering PPF, but given my driving habits, I'm leaning towards frequent touch free car washes (power washer, foam cannon, hand dryer) followed by wax/ceramic coating. It will always be stored in my garage (live in TX) and not exposed to the direct sun. Will this be a good strategy to keep it looking the way it is now?

Third - the exhaust. At low rpms the 981 S sounded 10x better than this 718. I know once I get the 718 into the upper rev range after break-in it should sound better than it does now, but man I miss the sound of the 981 flat 6 especially when casually driving on the public roads with the top down. I was also stoked about the sport exhaust on the 718 but it seems the valves don't open till higher in the rev range, which I can't hit for another 1900 miles. Is there a solution for all of this?

I'll stop with these 3 items. Appreciate your advice/experience/suggestions in advance. View attachment 51641
Your car is beautiful. I do not have any protection on my black 2019 Cayman either. I use a Sun Joe foam cannon with trinova shampoo and wax with Pinnacle Souveran. All these obtained from Amazon. My car does not have any swirls. Keep the tires and I don't really care what the car sounds like....ITS BEAUTIFUL.
 

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Hi guys. Yesterday I completed the swap of my 2014 981 BS to a 2022 718 Spyder. I'm very happy with the move. Between the lines, looks, and performance the 718 is an amazing step up. But this is the first time I've ever owned a car of this caliber/capability and there are a few things that I have questions about. Maybe some of you would be kind enough to give me some advice.

First - the tires. It came with Dunlap Sport Maxx Race 2 tires. I get these are for tracking as its a GT car. But as of now I don't plan to track it and will just drive for pleasure on public roads when the weather is nice. I mostly drive casually - not sporty, not spirited. These Dunlap's are so sticky they pick up everything. Even small rocks will embed in the soft compound. What do I need to do here especially through the break-in period? Is selling the tires and replacing them with a more appropriate road tire something I should consider? There is a small possibility I will track it at some point. In that case should I take these off and store them in my garage and drive with street tires (which ones?), then swap back to the Dunlap's if I ever go to the track? What do others do? How much of a pain is it to swap out tires? Seems arduous to me.

Second - the black paint. It is absolutely gorgeous, but I didn't spec the car and it wouldn't have been my first choice because of the care required. It was at the dealer b/c someone had spec'd it and couldn't afford to complete the purchase when it came in. My gain, but what to do about this paint? At most I will drive it 2000 miles/year. Rarely on the freeway, rarely on crowded streets. I was considering PPF, but given my driving habits, I'm leaning towards frequent touch free car washes (power washer, foam cannon, hand dryer) followed by wax/ceramic coating. It will always be stored in my garage (live in TX) and not exposed to the direct sun. Will this be a good strategy to keep it looking the way it is now?

Third - the exhaust. At low rpms the 981 S sounded 10x better than this 718. I know once I get the 718 into the upper rev range after break-in it should sound better than it does now, but man I miss the sound of the 981 flat 6 especially when casually driving on the public roads with the top down. I was also stoked about the sport exhaust on the 718 but it seems the valves don't open till higher in the rev range, which I can't hit for another 1900 miles. Is there a solution for all of this?

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First of all...a HUGE CONGRATULATIONS!! Boy did you luck out! Woody Allen allegedly once said "90% of life is just showing up?" Sure sounds like you showed up alright...and at precisely the right moment! Nicely done sir!

Regarding the black exterior...while it may not have been your first choice if you's spec'd the car yourself...is there a Porsche color you truly don't like? My answer to that is a resounding NO!! Your car looks BEAUTIFUL! Will it be more difficult to keep clean? Perhaps...but as a typical anal-retentive Porsche owner as most of us are, you'll be polishing the car ad nauseam with a large microfiber towel anyway, so what's the difference?

You've gotten some great advice above from others here regarding PPF and Ceramic Coating. The very first thing I did after taking delivery of my 2022 Spyder was to drive directly to a highly reputable local PPF/Ceramic shop. I had the front half PPF'd and the remainder coated in Ceramic...including the wheels...in what was described as the "Track Package." The Gentium Blue paint was in TERRIBLE CONDITION after my Spyder sat on the dock in Emden for over a month, and the meticulous paint correction that was done before the PPF/Ceramic made the car look better than new. All said and done, my total cost for paint correction, PPF and ceramic was about $5,500. And it STILL looks better than new. I consider this a very worthy investment for a not inexpensive purchase.

We could talk tires here all day...until the cows come home. My driving sounds very similar to yours, with no tracking but in my case, occasional "spirited" evolutions. Given our frequent cold winter conditions in the Mid-South, and the fact Michelin doesn't recommend using their Cup 2's or 4S's below 45F, I switched-out the 4S's that my Spyder was delivered with and immediately installed the UHP Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4's. I've driven on them for several months now and love them. I had them out on the road this morning with temperatures in the low to mid 30's F, and never batted an eye. If your winter weather conditions are milder you can probably get away with your Dunlap Sport Maxx Race 2's without issue. I've attached a Michelin PDF below.

Finally...exhaust. Yes...you're correct...because of the OEM Gas Particulate Filters (GPF's) and exhaust valves...you essentially lose all the sweet sound of your beautiful, naturally aspirated 4-liter engine between approximately 1,500 RPM and 4,000 RPM when your exhaust valves will be forced closed by Porsche programming. That's the bad news. The good news is there are several commercially available after-market "fixes" which will override the Porsche-programmed valve closure. After much research I chose the German Cargraphic Exhaust Valve Controller system which allows the driver to quickly select NORMAL OEM operation, which I refer to as the stock "QUIET MODE," or the exhaust-valves-open-all-the-time "LOUD MODE" which allows your engine to sound like it should throughout its ENTIRE operational range. I drive in the LOUD MODE about 99% of the time, generally only switching to the QUIET MODE when I drive on the interstate...which is intentionally almost NEVER. So this was the first half of my exhaust modification. The second half is described below.

After listening to dozens of YouTube videos with countless after-market stainless steel or Inconel exhaust systems for the GT4/Spyder, ALL of which sounded absolutely FABULOUS, and after listening to a friend's GT4 with the SOUL Ceramic-Coated Competition Over Axle Pipe (OAP) ONLY modification, I chose the SOUL Ceramic-Coated Resonated OAP's for a bit more of a toned-down sound. This OAP modification removes the GPF's described above entirely, and since they're "unmonitored" on Porsches sold in the USA, you will NOT get a check engine light performing this mod. I love the sound of them. My neighbors might not...but I sure do.

So...in summary, with the Cargraphic Exhaust Valve Controller and something as simple as stainless OAP's...you will have the sound you're sorely missing on the flat-six 4-liter German engineering wonder installed in your Spyder. Or if you choose, you can replace the back box and headers too. MANY options available to you!! I recommend you look on Rennlist where this subject has been discussed ad infinitum with THOUSANDS of opinions regarding what works best.

I've attached a PDF of the Cargraphics controller install instructions, a link to SOUL, and a photo of the SOUL Ceramic-Coated Resonated OAP's that are installed on my Spyder. Please post more photos of your new beauty when you get a moment, including some photos of the interior!! What options are on your car?? We're all ears! Again...congratulations!


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OP,

I live in Franklin, TN. on the opposite side of Franklin to Jim Dillard.
I'm the Rennlist member he is referring to above ^^^

In my case I have the GT4 VS Jim having the Porsche Spyder.
I also have the PDK and he went with the 6-speed manual tranny.

It would take a huge post for me to go over everything I've changed on my GT4 so I'm not going to possibly side-track your Thread.

If you are interested below is the link to my dedicated thread on the GT4.
It contains probably a thousand pictures as well as a lot of videos.
I'll just post the Main Dedicated Link below .................

GT4 in Racing-Yellow ordered 12/29/2020 by Terry aka tigerhonaker

Congratulations on your New Porsche Spyder,
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Hi guys. Yesterday I completed the swap of my 2014 981 BS to a 2022 718 Spyder. I'm very happy with the move. Between the lines, looks, and performance the 718 is an amazing step up. But this is the first time I've ever owned a car of this caliber/capability and there are a few things that I have questions about. Maybe some of you would be kind enough to give me some advice.

First - the tires. It came with Dunlap Sport Maxx Race 2 tires. I get these are for tracking as its a GT car. But as of now I don't plan to track it and will just drive for pleasure on public roads when the weather is nice. I mostly drive casually - not sporty, not spirited. These Dunlap's are so sticky they pick up everything. Even small rocks will embed in the soft compound. What do I need to do here especially through the break-in period? Is selling the tires and replacing them with a more appropriate road tire something I should consider? There is a small possibility I will track it at some point. In that case should I take these off and store them in my garage and drive with street tires (which ones?), then swap back to the Dunlap's if I ever go to the track? What do others do? How much of a pain is it to swap out tires? Seems arduous to me.

Second - the black paint. It is absolutely gorgeous, but I didn't spec the car and it wouldn't have been my first choice because of the care required. It was at the dealer b/c someone had spec'd it and couldn't afford to complete the purchase when it came in. My gain, but what to do about this paint? At most I will drive it 2000 miles/year. Rarely on the freeway, rarely on crowded streets. I was considering PPF, but given my driving habits, I'm leaning towards frequent touch free car washes (power washer, foam cannon, hand dryer) followed by wax/ceramic coating. It will always be stored in my garage (live in TX) and not exposed to the direct sun. Will this be a good strategy to keep it looking the way it is now?

Third - the exhaust. At low rpms the 981 S sounded 10x better than this 718. I know once I get the 718 into the upper rev range after break-in it should sound better than it does now, but man I miss the sound of the 981 flat 6 especially when casually driving on the public roads with the top down. I was also stoked about the sport exhaust on the 718 but it seems the valves don't open till higher in the rev range, which I can't hit for another 1900 miles. Is there a solution for all of this?

I'll stop with these 3 items. Appreciate your advice/experience/suggestions in advance. View attachment 51641
Beautiful ride! My 718 is jet black metallic which is a bit more forgiving than gloss black. I have PPF on the hood, front bumper and side mirrors. I currently don't have garage space at home (until I kick the trailer outta there) but it's covered during the week when I'm at the office. Over the past few years I went down the rabbit hole of car washing and have adopted a system that I really like:

Equipment you'll need:
  1. Pressure washer with multiple tips - don't need anything crazy here, in fact avoid high PSI washers that could damage the paint.
  2. Foam cannon - easily found on Amazon for ~$20. Get the one with the metal coupling on the bottle, otherwise it strips.
  3. 3 buckets - one for wheels, one for soapy water, one for clean water.
  4. "Grit guards" for bottom of the soap/clean water buckets.
  5. Multiple microfiber wash mitts (I got the blue ones at Walmart).
  6. 40 pack of quality microfiber cloths (the standard 1'x1'ish size, yellow and found at Walmart).
  7. At least 2 quality drying towels (I use Adams and some microfiber ones I found at Walmart).
  8. Wheel brush (large - for the front of the wheel).
  9. Wheel wooly (medium - the kind that can poke in between the spots on your wheel).
  10. Tire brush (stiffer, handheld)
Products you'll need:
  1. Car shampoo - lately I've been preferring Meguiar's Gold Class Car Wash
  2. Wheel cleaner - make sure you choose something that's compatible with your OEM wheel finish
  3. Spray detailer - I've tried a few and am using Adam's graphene detailer as well as their standard detailer too.
  4. Tire dressing - I like Adam's graphene tire dressing product right now. Goes on quickly and easily without flinging product all over. You'll want to pick up some foam applicators for the tires to apply the product. Makes life much easier.
Optional products you may want:
  1. Graphene/Ceramic coating - I just used Adam's Advanced Graphene Ceramic spray coating and am very happy with it. If you prepare the vehicle well and apply carefully it does a great job in terms of shine and protection. Works on all surfaces (paint, plastic, glass).
  2. Polish or compound for paint correction - your car is new and you're probably not going to need this yet.
  3. Iron Remover - you'll want to use this on the car before you do any coating or sealant (like graphene/ceramic).
  4. Clay bar - yet one more stage of decontaminating your paint before applying coating. Not as critical if your paint is still new and uncontaminated.
Washing:
  1. Wash your car in the shade and avoid hot days or direct sunlight.
  2. Fill buckets with water and add some soap to the one of the two paint wash buckets and to the wheel wash bucket.
  3. Spray down car with pressure washer.
  4. Fill foam cannon with 1 to 5 mixure of soap to water.
  5. Cover car in soapy foam and let it sit for a minute or so.
  6. Dip your microfiber wash mitt and get it fully saturated with soapy water, wipe down the car using very little to no pressure and going in horizontal directions lengthwise (to avoid creating swirls). Start at the top of the car and work your way down, doing the bottom (all the way around) at the end. This reduces scratching by accidentally pulling road debris into your mitt and sliding it all over the top part the car.
  7. After a section, wring out the mitt and rinse it in the rinse bucket then dip back in the soapy bucket and continue.
  8. Move quickly through those steps and avoid letting soap dry on the paint!
  9. Thoroughly rinse off with pressure washer.
  10. BONUS If you have a leaf blower, use it to blow off excess water!
  11. Using your drying towels grab two corners and drag it across large sections of the car, starting at the top and working downward.
  12. Drive it like you stole it!
 

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Thanks everyone for some really great advice. I've decided to go full PPF. It goes on this Thursday - takes a week to apply. On top of it they will do a 5-year ceramic product with touchups every year. That should keep it looking spiffy without me having to worry about door dings, rock chips, and paint swirls. Its $$$ but if it means less work and less headaches, I'll make that trade.

I will keep the tires and when worn I'll swap to an all-season tire that suits my driving style and hopefully gets me a longer tread life.

I'll leave the exhaust until after break in. Since I really don't know how it sounds in the high end of the rev range I'll sit tight for now.

Good stuff!

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Thanks everyone for some really great advice. I've decided to go full PPF. It goes on this Thursday - takes a week to apply. On top of it they will do a 5-year ceramic product with touchups every year. That should keep it looking spiffy without me having to worry about door dings, rock chips, and paint swirls. Its $$$ but if it means less work and less headaches, I'll make that trade.

I will keep the tires and when worn I'll swap to an all-season tire that suits my driving style and hopefully gets me a longer tread life.

I'll leave the exhaust until after break in. Since I really don't know how it sounds in the high end of the rev range I'll sit tight for now.

Good stuff!

Austen
Austen,

Just as a Heads-Up ..............

I can share with you the following on exhaust changes that actually are the Very-very less expensive and work.

I have and also Jim Dillard has the SOUL OAP.
In my case mine is the NON Resonated race SOUL OAP on the GT4.
Jim Dillard went with the SOUL (Resonated) SOUL OAP since he has the convertible.
I have ridden in his Spyder many times and it sounds GREAT with the TOP up or down.

My GT4 is just completely different than Jim's but it sounds Bad-Ass under POWER !!!
I recently also went with the SOUL (Rear Valved Muffler) assembly and the Cargraphics Valve Controller.

Lastly, for the Cost and IMHO best Solution is to ONLY change to the SOUL (Resonated) OAP.
I think you would really enjoy it.
BTW, Jim's Spyder is a manual my GT4 is with the PDK.

Also, you can enjoy the SOUL (Resonated) OAP while breaking in your Porsche as Jim is also doing.

Porsche 718 GT4 / Spyder / GTS 4.0L SOUL Resonated Over Axle Pipes

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Austen,

Just as a Heads-Up ..............

I can share with you the following on exhaust changes that actually are the Very-very less expensive and work.

I have and also Jim Dillard has the SOUL OAP.
In my case mine is the NON Resonated race SOUL OAP on the GT4.
Jim Dillard went with the SOUL (Resonated) SOUL OAP since he has the convertible.
I have ridden in his Spyder many times and it sounds GREAT with the TOP up or down.

My GT4 is just completely different than Jim's but it sounds Bad-Ass under POWER !!!
I recently also went with the SOUL (Rear Valved Muffler) assembly and the Cargraphics Valve Controller.

Lastly, for the Cost and IMHO best Solution is to ONLY change to the SOUL (Resonated) OAP.
I think you would really enjoy it.
BTW, Jim's Spyder is a manual my GT4 is with the PDK.

Also, you can enjoy the SOUL (Resonated) OAP while breaking in your Porsche as Jim is also doing.

Porsche 718 GT4 / Spyder / GTS 4.0L SOUL Resonated Over Axle Pipes

Terry
My mind may be failing, but has the price gone up recently?
 

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