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I've been a silent browser of this forum for a few months now while I've been giving some thought to 718 ownership

I've considered both Cayman and Boxster, and while open top driving is appealing on balance I decided the slight practical benefits of the Cayman make it more attractive for me, I've also swung between base and S models, and between buying new or hanging on for a nearly new car that fits the bill.

One thing I really wanted was a car with manual transmission, and there's very few of them around on the second hand market even fewer near new / ex demonstrators, this was leading me towards having to buy new, which I was certainly prepared to do and was considering getting the ball rolling in the new year.

Then last week out of curiosity I did another search for manual cars on the Porsche UK website and a 2018 Cayman Base MT with only 2000 miles on the clock and a very high specification appeared near the top of the list, it's a little older than I was thinking but with so few miles that wasn't an issue, it has some options I wouldn't have selected and only really missing one or two things I'd have liked but not show stoppers.

Spec wise the car is jet black metallic (I probably would not have chosen black if I was ordering new but it definitely looks good in black), 20 inch Carerra Sport alloys (I was going to go with Cayman S 19's had I bought new), black sportex interior with 18way adaptive seats (I was leaning towards sportex, not sure I'd have stretched to the electric seats but they're a real bonus), LED PDLS+ headlights (I'd probably have gone for the cheaper PDLS option), PASM, PTV and Sport Chrono (I might have gone with the Sport Chrono, would not have specced PTV and probably not PASM but again they're nice bonus's) Bose sound, heated seats, multifunction wheel, 2 zone climate and probably a couple of other bits and bob's that I've forgotten about. So it's nicely loaded up! the one thing I would have liked that is missing is the reversing camera, I have one in my current car and like it, although I'd not had one before and would never have considered paying extra for one until I'd used it.

So I slept on it and contacted the dealership the next day, it's in Sheffield which is about 1.5 hours from me with no traffic so I asked that I could spend some good quality time with the car on a variety of roads which they agreed to so the following day I headed off for a test. I arrived and was given an opportunity to have a good poke around the car on my own before going out on the road, we then headed out and spent a good 2 hours in the car with a mixture of motorway, a roads and good country roads including Winnats Pass and Snake Pass.

Unfortunately it was cold and wet so I was reasonably reserved but that didn't detract from the enjoyment and it really did give me a good chance to assess the car.

My only real reservation before getting into the car was whether the base model with manual transmission would feel responsive enough, I'm coming from an Audi S3 with the DSG box, similar power and weight but on paper quicker off the line and it is pretty responsive in most situations. I've read a bit about the long lower gears of the 6MT in the 718 and of turbo lag in the base car, I would say there's certainly some truth in that and the 718 certainly seems less eager off line than the S3 but otherwise straight line speed is certainly not an issue for me and while an S would be nice, I'm happy with the performance of the base.

It turns out the car was owned by Porsche GB and the dealership took it on 2 or 3 weeks ago, hence the low milage and high spec, it is practically a new car even though it is 15 months old.

So my mind was made up and a deal was done, I go back to collect the car on Friday (could be a long week!), agreeing the deal was painless and a breath of fresh air from other experiences, no pressure to finance the car, no pressure to purchase various "insurances" on offer and although I couldn't get a lot of movement on the price of the car I was able to negotiate a very good part exchange on the S3, which I also bought as an ex demonstrator less than 2 years ago (it's only a bit older than the 718) so I haven't lost a fortune on that either.

I'll post some photo's after I've collected it, here's a screen shot from the ad on the Porsche website....

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Congratulations! Jet Black Metallic is a beautiful color. I wish you many years of happy motoring!
 
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Welcome to the forum and you have a beautiful car! I have a base manual and love it. Very much what a sports car should be! If you plan to track it, you might wish you had the more powerful S version, but otherwise it has more capability than most people who drive them (certainly including me).
 
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I have the 2.0L with Manual Gearbox.
For use on the road the 2.0L is all you need, can’t say I’ve noticed any Turbo Lag.
The Manual Gearbox is really sweet, you will feel really connected to the car.
In my opinion the 718 is a drivers car and is more enjoyable with the Manual Gearbox.
( I did try the PDK but found it less involving )
At the end of the day you have the best of both Worlds New School 718 with all latest technology and Old School Manual Gearbox.
 

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The car looks great. Love those wheels. MT is the cherry on top. Even when you're heading to the right hand turn at the end of the block, that downshift will put a smile on your face every time :) Enjoy!
 

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Thanks everybody, looks like my choice of transmission meets with approval, and I agree it adds the overall driving experience, it's a pleasure to use and I think makes it a little more unique.
 

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I have the boxster s manual had it for a year came from the old 6 cylinder manual got mine 2017 when it was 18 months old 3000 miles .Porsche not able to supply a new one due to emissions updates ( interesting the 0 to 60 times are not the same on the new manual the S is 4.9 the old 4.6 ) haven’t looked at the 2 litre. Kept the 6 cylinder for 6 months with the new 718 ? Exhaust note but like my 718 s better at lower speeds. There are only 60 manual 718s on the road in UK so many go for non manual they do miss out on the complete control you get.So enjoy,don’t think you will miss the S it is very fast but you need to keep your licence and insurance low.
 

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Looks great and a nice spec, although with all those pits and pieces one would also expect a reversing camera. From the pictures it would appear as if it has the full leather interior as well, which really elevates the cabin nicely.
 

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I have the boxster s manual had it for a year came from the old 6 cylinder manual got mine 2017 when it was 18 months old 3000 miles .Porsche not able to supply a new one due to emissions updates ( interesting the 0 to 60 times are not the same on the new manual the S is 4.9 the old 4.6 ) haven’t looked at the 2 litre. Kept the 6 cylinder for 6 months with the new 718 ? Exhaust note but like my 718 s better at lower speeds. There are only 60 manual 718s on the road in UK so many go for non manual they do miss out on the complete control you get.So enjoy,don’t think you will miss the S it is very fast but you need to keep your licence and insurance low.
That’s an interesting stat about the number of manuals on the road, guess I got lucky, also makes it that bit more unique.
 

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Looks great and a nice spec, although with all those pits and pieces one would also expect a reversing camera. From the pictures it would appear as if it has the full leather interior as well, which really elevates the cabin nicely.
I though reversing camera was an odd omission given the number of options it’s been blessed with
 

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The number on the road was for the boxster S only.The cayman base MT there are 80 this compares to 2400 auto, this is a smaller percentage than my boxster S 60 with 905 auto. It is why you had a long look to find a manual , so even more unique. I find it very surprising that with a sports car so many go for the auto yes 0 to 60 faster but on a country twisty road more involved with manual.
 

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The number on the road was for the boxster S only.The cayman base MT there are 80 this compares to 2400 auto, this is a smaller percentage than my boxster S 60 with 905 auto. It is why you had a long look to find a manual , so even more unique. I find it very surprising that with a sports car so many go for the auto yes 0 to 60 faster but on a country twisty road more involved with manual.
Sorry to call you, and many others, out on this, but I am fed up hearing about the manual being more involved, participating and all the other crap I read in auto journals. Just like the glorious wail of the NA-6.

I have driven manuals for 51 years, and only two automatics. Nothing like the PDK, if you know how to use it.

If you try just to emulate a manual, you are not using it properly. This summer, I drove through the Ozarks, Smokey Mountains, Blue Ridge Mountains and the Skyline Drive, Down/Up Shifting on Auto continuously. All twisties. Never missed not having a clutch, once you learn how the PDK 'thinks', it is a whole new experience to collaborate with it. A happy and rewarding one... Just like the manual...

Don't talk about shifting a manual transmission as being a mystic experience, because it ain't. Unless you are driving a crashbox...
 

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I've been a silent browser of this forum for a few months now while I've been giving some thought to 718 ownership

I've considered both Cayman and Boxster, and while open top driving is appealing on balance I decided the slight practical benefits of the Cayman make it more attractive for me, I've also swung between base and S models, and between buying new or hanging on for a nearly new car that fits the bill.

One thing I really wanted was a car with manual transmission, and there's very few of them around on the second hand market even fewer near new / ex demonstrators, this was leading me towards having to buy new, which I was certainly prepared to do and was considering getting the ball rolling in the new year.

Then last week out of curiosity I did another search for manual cars on the Porsche UK website and a 2018 Cayman Base MT with only 2000 miles on the clock and a very high specification appeared near the top of the list, it's a little older than I was thinking but with so few miles that wasn't an issue, it has some options I wouldn't have selected and only really missing one or two things I'd have liked but not show stoppers.

Spec wise the car is jet black metallic (I probably would not have chosen black if I was ordering new but it definitely looks good in black), 20 inch Carerra Sport alloys (I was going to go with Cayman S 19's had I bought new), black sportex interior with 18way adaptive seats (I was leaning towards sportex, not sure I'd have stretched to the electric seats but they're a real bonus), LED PDLS+ headlights (I'd probably have gone for the cheaper PDLS option), PASM, PTV and Sport Chrono (I might have gone with the Sport Chrono, would not have specced PTV and probably not PASM but again they're nice bonus's) Bose sound, heated seats, multifunction wheel, 2 zone climate and probably a couple of other bits and bob's that I've forgotten about. So it's nicely loaded up! the one thing I would have liked that is missing is the reversing camera, I have one in my current car and like it, although I'd not had one before and would never have considered paying extra for one until I'd used it.

So I slept on it and contacted the dealership the next day, it's in Sheffield which is about 1.5 hours from me with no traffic so I asked that I could spend some good quality time with the car on a variety of roads which they agreed to so the following day I headed off for a test. I arrived and was given an opportunity to have a good poke around the car on my own before going out on the road, we then headed out and spent a good 2 hours in the car with a mixture of motorway, a roads and good country roads including Winnats Pass and Snake Pass.

Unfortunately it was cold and wet so I was reasonably reserved but that didn't detract from the enjoyment and it really did give me a good chance to assess the car.

My only real reservation before getting into the car was whether the base model with manual transmission would feel responsive enough, I'm coming from an Audi S3 with the DSG box, similar power and weight but on paper quicker off the line and it is pretty responsive in most situations. I've read a bit about the long lower gears of the 6MT in the 718 and of turbo lag in the base car, I would say there's certainly some truth in that and the 718 certainly seems less eager off line than the S3 but otherwise straight line speed is certainly not an issue for me and while an S would be nice, I'm happy with the performance of the base.

It turns out the car was owned by Porsche GB and the dealership took it on 2 or 3 weeks ago, hence the low milage and high spec, it is practically a new car even though it is 15 months old.

So my mind was made up and a deal was done, I go back to collect the car on Friday (could be a long week!), agreeing the deal was painless and a breath of fresh air from other experiences, no pressure to finance the car, no pressure to purchase various "insurances" on offer and although I couldn't get a lot of movement on the price of the car I was able to negotiate a very good part exchange on the S3, which I also bought as an ex demonstrator less than 2 years ago (it's only a bit older than the 718) so I haven't lost a fortune on that either.

I'll post some photo's after I've collected it, here's a screen shot from the ad on the Porsche website....

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Lovely looking Cayman, and those wheels are my favourite. Certainly seems like you have bought a very nice example. I joined a group from this site and we have our own WhatsApp group 12 in all , all with boxster/ caymans , GTS/ S / Base . In terms of speed handling there is virtually nothing between them. Funnily enough our next road trip is to the Peak District next year... anyway if you need advice and don’t mind dark humour... I’m sure you could join up... enjoy.
 

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Sorry to call you, and many others, out on this, but I am fed up hearing about the manual being more involved, participating and all the other crap I read in auto journals. Just like the glorious wail of the NA-6.
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Don't talk about shifting a manual transmission as being a mystic experience, because it ain't. Unless you are driving a crashbox...
Some might argue that the PDK is so good, you really don't need to do anything and just let it do it's stuff. Lets face it, you can get into a PDK car and press the pedals (witness all those on here who've said they got a manual so their wife/kids cant drive it, or got PDK so that other people can). A manual doesn't give you that level of impunity, it forces you to make each shift as good as you can, shifting smoothly, matching revs, heel/toe-ing - it's harder, you wont be perfect all the time - but the challenge is there of being perfect as much as you can.

I think that whilst the PDK is undoubtedly fantastic as a piece of technology, a manual does involve you more in the driving of the car. I have tried both. Neither is "better" than the other inherently, but either could be "better" depending on what you want to get out of them.
 

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Some might argue that the PDK is so good, you really don't need to do anything and just let it do it's stuff. Lets face it, you can get into a PDK car and press the pedals (witness all those on here who've said they got a manual so their wife/kids cant drive it, or got PDK so that other people can). A manual doesn't give you that level of impunity, it forces you to make each shift as good as you can, shifting smoothly, matching revs, heel/toe-ing - it's harder, you wont be perfect all the time - but the challenge is there of being perfect as much as you can.

I think that whilst the PDK is undoubtedly fantastic as a piece of technology, a manual does involve you more in the driving of the car. I have tried both. Neither is "better" than the other inherently, but either could be "better" depending on what you want to get out of them.
Thank you for your level-headed comment. I chuckled with your wife/kids comment, my wife drove sticks even more than I (HER car was a stick when I drove an (only auto) 740iL and a Mercedes Tiptronic. My son owns a stick Mazda 3... We are that kind of family I guess! :ROFLMAO:

I get the 'challenge' part of it, as I said, I drove sticks most of my life, I am just fed up with the smug approach 'I drive an MT'... h#ll, in Europe where I grew up, everyone drive an MT.

Starting point: Let's forget torque converter based automatics. Even last year's 8-speed Mustang GT (I test drove) was pitiful...

Back in the nineties, when Tiptronic became available to Mercedes and Audi, I tried it (one week in a rental Merc) and I found it kind of meh... Somehow, the rev matching in upshift left a lot to be desired... A lot!... The PDK can be the same with an untrained driver.

Then, in 2001 I got stuck with a Mercedes C200 K Tiptronic. I set out to learn how to get the most out of it. Once I got truly familiar with the shift points in the upshifts, I realized that I can never upshift better than the program.

Why?

Because, if you think about it, the optimal (up)shifting point depends on the amount of gas you give the car. If you are driving in a relaxed mode, the shift (manual or auto) will be in the neighborhood of 3+k rpm. If you are driving in a more spirited fashion, the shift point will migrate to the 4-5k range. If you are driving with your hair on fire, the shift point will be in the neighborhood of the red line.

Unlike the downshifting, it doesn't pay to upshift early (or late...).

So, I let the program do the upshifts by putting the shift lever on D.

The downshift, is a whole different story. You can downshift late (relaxed driving, who cares about it) or you can downshift earl(ier), to shift the weight braking for a turn, or to keep the engine in a specific range of RPM preparing for a turn exit. The Tiptronic was pretty dumb. It would downshift automatically only if the revs fell below a (useful) range, say 2k, practically useless :( However, it was smart enough NOT to give you the lower gear, if it would land beyond the beginning of the red line, preventing over revs. It wouldn't miss a gate either... ;)

So, I ended up driving the Tiptronic in this 'semi automatic' mode, upshifting on auto and downshifting in 'manual', complete with rev matching, heel and toe (mind you that the time interval you can do heel and toe for rev matching on a Tiptronic downshift is 1/2 to 1/3 as long as the manual, because the Tiptronic is faster than you).

Driving in this manner, gave me as full control of the Tiptronic Merc as a manual would. Minus the clutch pedal and the smell of burning clutch disk in uphill starts.

Glad for the long post, I don't like driving on Black Friday...:rolleyes: In Houston... :eek:
 
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