[Graustark]

The USA Cayman S now lists a 0-60 manual time of 5.0 seconds (base at 5.6 seconds) – is that due to the particulate filter? So is that stupid thing now on my coming USA model despite the USA not (yet) mandating such nonsense? So a half second slower due to some Euro regulations? I hate government.

 

[reiver]

The manual also lists a C40 rated oil for that filter/and year models from 2019....and the only folks now carrying it are Porsche dealers who purchase in bulk.
I was unaware that had impacted acceleration times...interesting.

 

[BLKGTS]

It seems many new cars that meet WLTP emissions regulations are slower than their pre-WLTP predecessors.

 

[GTS18BGTS]

I think we know why it it show that time and I don't think it has anything to do with a particulate filter

 

[Graustark]

I think we know why it it show that time and I don't think it has anything to do with a particulate filter

I would rather them retro-actively BS us due to the GTS 4.0 marketing nonsense than there be any actual physical alteration. Does anyone know for certain either way?

 

[DPC]

This might be the perfect example of trying to justify the added cost of a GT4/ Spyder or the usual " Can't let the Cayman outshine the 911". To me the GT4 is an over hyped dud. 0-60 in 4.2 seconds ( slower than a PDK base 718 ). Am I missing something?

 

[GTS18BGTS]

I would rather them retro-actively BS us due to the GTS 4.0 marketing nonsense than there be any actual physical alteration. Does anyone know for certain either way?

I thought it was mentioned that the PF was just a Euro thing, but probably best to as your SA.

 

[GTS18BGTS]

This is what I found so far. Link So if this is "all new Porsche models with gasoline engines", and it includes US exports, then it seems this is why the numbers have changed.

Edit: You are taking Euro delivery, so maybe it will be required? I'd still ask your SA about this stuff. Lots of different info out there.

 

[antennahead]

I thought it was mentioned that the PF was just a Euro thing, but probably best to as your SA.

Standard equipment in the configurator still just shows this:
"Two 3-way catalytic converters".

The technical specifications/technical data section shows this:
" Exhaust emission treatment .... 2 catalytic converters"

Maybe we're still lucking out in the US and no PF yet.

 

[reiver]

Porsche approved oils by year/model.... the pre 2019 718's are still noted as using the A40 oil it appears...

 

[antennahead]

The 2017 - 2019 718 Boxster online manual at PorscheUSA.com says this:

Porsche Digital Owner’s Manuals - Porsche USA

www.porscheownersmanuals.com

I'm assuming since US 718s have no particulate filter, the manual is still recommending A40.

 

[sobiloff]

My understanding is that the 2020 models arriving in the US will have the "fake" GPFs, i.e. the GPF shell with an inert insert to make the back-pressure the same as a functioning GPF. This allows Porsche to have a single tune world-wide. It wouldn't surprise me that this setup would be less optimal than the 2019's and earlier that don't have any variant of a GPF. To restore performance to 2019 levels you'd need both a new exhaust system that does away with the inert GPF, and a tune.

 

[Chris NZ]

I think we know why it it show that time and I don't think it has anything to do with a particulate filter

Sorry, but this is bollocks! Unless of course you have real evidence that the two are linked (which I highly doubt), and if you do, would you be so kind as to share it with the rest of us?

 

[Chris NZ]

This might be the perfect example of trying to justify the added cost of a GT4/ Spyder or the usual " Can't let the Cayman outshine the 911". To me the GT4 is an over hyped dud. 0-60 in 4.2 seconds ( slower than a PDK base 718 ). Am I missing something?

Yes, you are. The original GT4 was specifically introduced in response to the 991 GT3 that was all about raw speed with a PDK and many people disliked it because they favoured driver engagement. The GT4 was Porsche's response, it never was about raw speed and always was about driver engagement.

 

[718Niko]

?
On the UK website, base manual is 5.3s

Maybe the website is not yet updated to 2020 figures ... or its just a special US treat ? ?

 

[GTS18BGTS]

Sorry, but this is bollocks! Unless of course you have real evidence that the two are linked (which I highly doubt), and if you do, would you be so kind as to share it with the rest of us?

Obviously I have no evidence. However there are some strange happenings with the numbers that have gone unexplained. There's also a grey area in terms of whether or not North American cars have or will have the filter. So I guess it's left to our imagination as to what's what until we get some real world side by side comparisons.

On another note, the fact that the newer models of all stripes will have this particulate filter and take the subsequent hit in performance should make earlier models more desirable Also no proof of concept ........ yet

 

[girarcat]

?
On the UK website, base manual is 5.3s

View attachment 25175

Maybe the website is not yet updated to 2020 figures ... or its just a special US treat ? ?

Until a couple of months ago, the European 0-100km/h figure for manual models was 5.1secs. They suddenly increased the mark by 0.2 secs. However the 718 T still shows the 5.1 secs figure.

 

[sobiloff]

Look, this change in performance numbers is trivial to prove:

Here's the Porsche UK page from March 31, 2019 <Porsche 718 Cayman - Porsche Great Britain>. It shows the Cayman hitting 62 mph in 5.1 seconds with a 6MT (or 4.7 seconds with a PDK and Sport Chrono).

Today's Porsche UK page <Porsche 718 Cayman - Porsche Great Britain>. It shows the Cayman hitting 62 mph in 5.3 seconds with a 6MT (or the same 4.7 seconds for a PDK and Sport Chrono).

Let's look at the Cayman S. From March 8 <Porsche 718 Cayman S - Technical Specs - Porsche Great Britain> we have 0-62 mph as 4.6s with a 6MT, or 4.4 with a PDK (no SC).

Today's Porsche UK page <Porsche 718 Cayman S - Technical Specs - Porsche Great Britain> shows 0-62 mph as 4.9s with a 6MT, or still 4.4 with a PDK (no SC).

So what does that tell me? It tells me that the 6MT model Caymans with a GPF increase their 0-62 MPH time by 0.2-0.3 seconds over the cars without a GPF.

Why don't the PDK cars take the same hit? Heck if I know! Best guess is that the performance hit isn't equal throughout the RPM range, so maybe the PDK spends longer at lower RPMs where the engine isn't strangled by the GPF restriction as much?

 

[718Niko]

Makes me happy having bought mine in 2019. Im sure I wouldnt notice the diference anyway, but just knowing.

 

[johan]

Look, this change in performance numbers is trivial to prove:

Here's the Porsche UK page from March 31, 2019 <Porsche 718 Cayman - Porsche Great Britain>. It shows the Cayman hitting 62 mph in 5.1 seconds with a 6MT (or 4.7 seconds with a PDK and Sport Chrono).

Today's Porsche UK page <Porsche 718 Cayman - Porsche Great Britain>. It shows the Cayman hitting 62 mph in 5.3 seconds with a 6MT (or the same 4.7 seconds for a PDK and Sport Chrono).

Let's look at the Cayman S. From March 8 <Porsche 718 Cayman S - Technical Specs - Porsche Great Britain> we have 0-62 mph as 4.6s with a 6MT, or 4.4 with a PDK (no SC).

Today's Porsche UK page <Porsche 718 Cayman S - Technical Specs - Porsche Great Britain> shows 0-62 mph as 4.9s with a 6MT, or still 4.4 with a PDK (no SC).

So what does that tell me? It tells me that the 6MT model Caymans with a GPF increase their 0-62 MPH time by 0.2-0.3 seconds over the cars without a GPF.

Why don't the PDK cars take the same hit? Heck if I know! Best guess is that the performance hit isn't equal throughout the RPM range, so maybe the PDK spends longer at lower RPMs where the engine isn't strangled by the GPF restriction as much?

Ignore this, it is a typo on Porsche.se
Just to make it even more fun, am i correct in that Boxster and Cayman had identical 0-62 times before?
I might be a typo or a poor update on the Swedish site but Cayman S - 4,6 - 4,4 sec - Boxster S 4,4 - 4,2 sec
(MT the higher number, pdk the lower )
Base and T have identical numbers on both B and C

718 Imanual still have the old numbers.....