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When I ordered my '18 Cayman back in 2017 I went with the standard/non-PASM suspension for a few reasons. First, the car is my daily driver and in southeastern PA we have fairly lousy roads, and also the potential for snow in the winter months so I figured I could use all the ground clearance I could get. Second, I was going with a fairly low-spec build and PASM is fairly pricey. Finally, I plan on keeping the car for a while, and wasn't sure of the added complication/longevity of electronically adjustable shocks over time.

However, I didn't have a full appreciation of how high the standard suspension is, probably since all of the images online or in auto publications feature PASM or SPASM cars. I wasn't looking to slam the car to the ground, but was looking to reduce the "trail rated" appearance somewhat. That got me looking for a set of stock PASM springs to swap on. I came across a set of take offs from a '18 Cayman GTS for really cheap. In researching lowering springs I found that the aftermarket options lowered the car far more than what I was looking for. I also saw that the aftermarket springs make no delineation between standard/PASM/SPASM, so I figured the PASM springs should swap over without any difficulty.

I typically do these sorts of things myself, but the rear strut removal didn't look like like something that would be too much fun - if you're not familiar, to get the rear struts out requires near complete disassembly of the rear suspension including removal of the axles. I decided to use a local shop that had done springs in 718s previously and quoted me a very reasonable price for the swap. They said the swap went as usual with the exception of the fact that the PASM rear springs are slightly too short for the standard rear strut pistons. (I suppose that means the aftermarket lowering springs must use some very progressive and/or dead coils to make up the length.) Out of the car, with the strut assembled the springs are unloaded. However, once installed and with the lower arms torqued under the weight of the car, the springs are still unloaded, but just barely. To be safe, I threw some cable ties around the springs to hold them to the lower spring perches and keep them in place should I somehow manage to get both rear wheels in the air for an extended period of time. With any amount of load on either rear wheel both rear springs remain firmly seated. The front PASM springs are long enough to be under load when the strut is assembled.

In terms of driving impressions, I wasn't expecting anything drastic. The difference in ride & handling is only marginally different. Sharp initial impacts feel the same as they did with the stock springs but over larger bumps you can feel the marginal increase in stiffness. The shocks seem to have no difficulty handling the stiffer/lower springs, which isn't surprising given what is a very slight degree of lowering and likely a marginal increase in stiffness. Overall it feels slightly stiffer, but nothing drastic.

I didn't take any before/after pictures since it looks exactly like a PASM suspended car now, losing the "too-tall" look that I felt the car had previously. For a relatively low outlay (I paid less than $800 all in, including having the car re-aligned after the spring install) swapping to PASM springs does seem to be a viable option for folks with standard suspension cars looking to get to PASM height. I realize most folks looking to lower their cars will want something more substantial than -10mm, but for my daily driver that sees four season use the PASM springs seem like a good compromise in terms of usability, performance, and appearance.
 

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"trail rated" lol.


...I paid less than $800 all in...
That's a really nice price. Score on those GTS springs and labor seems a friend of a friend rate.

When eyeballing other Caymans and Boxsters of all variants I invariably take note of their ride height.
Measuring up the 'competition' if you will.
Quite pleased with my SPASM/PTV setup and wouldn't buy another modern Porsche without same.

Very well done on your upgrade.
 

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Springs were found on ebay and super cheap - $80 shipped.

Labor for install was definitely very reasonable. I had it done at a local shop that has a good reputation but that I had never used previously. They quoted the job at 5.5 hours versus the other indy shop estimates I received of ~8 hrs, so that's a couple $hundred savings from the particular shop I used. I know they've done a few of these installs before, so they may actually be able to finish the install in 5.5 hrs (their "shop car" is a '19 Cayman that they've swapped the suspension on 2x so they may have it down to an art at this point), but there may also have been some aspect of pricing the job attractively to try and gain a new customer? Who knows...
 

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So i was in the same boat. i liked the SPASM setup ( i too have standard suspension) and I a porsche dealer was kind enough to help me do some research to find out if the springs would work on standard suspension.
Since SPASM or "Sport Chassis" sits lower, youre right, the springs are much much shorter that there is a significant gap from the top hat to the top coil (about 25 - 30mm gap)
My question to you is that how much loose was the rear spring on the strut?

After doing my extensive research, i found that Bilstein B4 OE replacement -sport suspension w/o active is a shorter strut in overall length compared to their standard OE replacement. On the rear is about 25mm shorter and the front are 15mm shorter in overall length compared to the standard suspension variant.

I still like the SPASM setup on GTS models or 718 T and that is the route i will have to go forward with, however, parts alone comes close to the price of Bilstein B16 pSS10... assuming i buy the springs from Porsche
 

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Seems dangerous to have the springs unloaded no? And I would imagine the car doesn’t ride properly?

I have never heard of this issue before. I wonder what makes the PASM springs so different from aftermarket lowering springs in that sense.

On another note, I wonder what the full PASM setup would be like without the electrical hookup (I.e.installed on a non-PASM car but not with the wiring).
 

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To be clear, the issue is that the rear strut shafts are too long by probably less than 1mm to keep the spring firmly seated with the strut at full droop. I’d guess aftermarket and PASM/SPASM struts use a slightly shorter shaft to match up with the shorter length springs.
Even with this setup the springs are never loose enough that they could come out of the cups. There’s just enough play that you can barely wiggle the spring with the wheel at full droop. To make extra sure there’s no chance for the spring to move I ran a heavy zip tie through one of the existing holes in the lower spring perch on each of the rear struts.

To be extra safe it wouldn’t be that much trouble to cut another mm or two of thread into the shock shaft while it’s off the car. That should allow the top but to clamp
A bit farther down the shock shaft and get the spring preloaded. Hardest part of that would probably be finding an appropriately sized tap as the shock shaft is a fairly large diameter.
I’ve been running this setup for a while now and haven’t experienced any clunks, pops or otherwise questionable noises, which makes sense because I try to keep all 4 wheels on the ground ;-)
 

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...the rear strut shafts are too long by probably less than 1mm to keep the spring firmly seated with the strut at full droop.
I’d guess aftermarket and PASM/SPASM struts use a slightly shorter shaft to match up with the shorter length springs.
Indeed.

Many different geographical differentiators amongst aftermarket selections.
Reads like yours is squared away so nice work!

 

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Hey there, in need for some help deciding if to go for the pasm on a new base cayman im about to order next week 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I don’t care for pasm for performance.
The only reason for me to get it, is how the car looks with out it. Without it, the gap between the tire and the chassis is too much IMO. It’s not terrible but not the look I would expect from a porsche i.e a real sports car. I like them (sports cars) low.
The option is very expensive in my country so its a dilemma. The looks are of course a subjective issue.
My question is does pasm make the ride stiffer (I’m taking 20” wheels of course) even when it isn’t turned on and just because of the lowered height of the car. I test drived today a 2019 boxster with 20” with no pasm and the ride was good. My dealer says pasm will stiffen it up even without turning on the pasm and just because of the lowered height.
Thanks for you opinions.
 

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Get the car, drive it around for a while and then decide whether to replace the springs with 3rd party springs (like Eibach and others).

A have a standard Cayman S and a steeply inclined driveway, relative to the road. I have to get in and out driving at an angle, so as not to scrape, and I have to drive slowly and gingerly. A couple of times, my slowly is not that slow and I hear a gut wrenching scrape. If you have to drive out at an angle to get in and out on the standard, don't do it...
 

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Agree 100% that the ride height is just too tall with the standard suspension. I thought I would be happy with it (and potentially need the additional ride height), but ultimately am much happier with the lower PASM ride height.

I noticed a marginally stiffer ride after switching my non-PASM shocks onto PASM springs. Still completely comfortable for sure though. I’ve not ridden in a full PASM car, but from what I’ve read/heard from those who have, the PASM ride quality when set to “normal” is even better than the standard suspension. And of course, you always have the option to stiffen it up if you want.

With typical Porsche labor rates it is close to a wash in terms of optioning for PASM in your build vs swapping springs later. I lucked out finding a set of secondhand PASM springs on eBay, and finding a reputable shop that would do the install for a reasonable price.
 

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I've driven a Boxster GTS as a loaner (it has pasm sport) and the normal mode on the car is firmer than the standard suspension but not stiff and it is actually comfortable on Normal mode. Unless youre in the back road, active SpASm will break your back in city streets lol

So yes you should be fine with PASM/ SPASM setup. SPASM sits 10mm lower than PASM which i think looks much better
 

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After months of learning and gathering info also from this forum and after more than a few deliberations on the spec, so happy to announce I ordered my first ever porsche!! Its a cayman T in white! Delivery march or latest may 😩. After checking the clearance no problem for minus 20 mm that comes with the T 😀
Thx to all that helped me out during these past weeks/months. I can Imagine the need for info will continue after the delivery...
 

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I did this same modification on my 2014 Bosxster S. I think I may have been one of the first to do this on the 981 Platform. I really like the look I achieved. The labor rates were a bit more here in the SF Bay Area. The only issue with my retrofit is that I am getting some spring bind and it's driving me nuts. Has anyone else experienced this issue. There is a top cap bearing that the shop told me was just fine. Wondering what the heck the sollution is for this bind, cause it is driving me crazy. With a hard turn like backing up, especially in the morning you can get a slight knock with the turning of the strut and spring. Any help on this matter is appreciated.
 
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