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I was reading the last page of a 45 page post on Planet-9 entitled,

"Cayman Sales Continue Downward Slide"

Someone posted some figures and Annual report so I thought I'd take a look at what seemed like a bit of a misleading and meaningless post.

I concluded that although overall 718 sales numbers are down, they are still very strong and still up from prior comparable 981 sales years.

So for all those concerned about 4 cylinder engines and depreciation there is still a very strong and growing demand for these cars despite the criticisms you hear on the internet and by some car journos who in reality represent a very small number of biased opinions.

The 718 is a great car and better car for the majority of Porsche's target market.

Here is my take posted on planet:

2018 VAG Annual Report https://www.volkswagenag.com/presen...nnual-reports/2019/volkswagen/en/Y_2018_e.pdf. P.35

2018 718 worldwide sales 23,658 down from 26,427 in 2017. (down -10.48%)
2018 911 worldwide sales 36,236 up from 33,820 in 2017. (up 7.14%)
Really interesting document.

I think given the 718 was released in 2016 you should see a gradual decline in sales up until a new model release or face lift, though by the looks of the numbers sales are still pretty strong in what is a very niche market. In Australia the biggest year for 718 deliveries was 2016 with a decline in 2017 and presumably 2018, though the release of the GTS may have softened that a little in 2018-2019.

The 718 production decline is like the Macan which also had a decline in production in 2018 at the end of its model cycle (like old Cayenne), though still a really strong sector at 93,953 for the Macan from 98,763 in 2017. I assume that will be up again this year with the new Macan now released.

What is most impressive is the Cayenne which increased production by a whopping 34% in 2018 to 79,111 from 59,068 in 2017, presumably due to the release of the new 9YA model in 2018. Can't blame people for wanting a new one after a 7 year life cycle! I assume a lot of people had pre-ordered and Porsche anticipated the demand given the growth in the SUV market world wide.

I think 911 sales are always reasonably strong with all the submodels but I'd say sales will be up again at least in 2020 with the release of the 992 with people already having placed orders. Maybe a dip in 911 sales in 2019 with the transition.

Overall seems like Porsche is onto a winning formula with a 9.2% increase in sales revenue!

I assume they are happy with their ongoing sales numbers, even the 718, which is still up on 981 deliveries and production by ~11% for comparable years (2014-2015) which had also declined to 22,663 units delivered in 2015 or 21,978 for production.

So I'd say given the data from the Annual reports the Cayman/Boxter Sales are still going strong!
 

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I'm going to speculate that, at least in the US, Porsche's "winning formula" and 9.2% increase in revenue is the result of a ten year bull market in stocks. A lot of guys are playing with their new found money and what better way than pick up a status symbol like a 911.
 

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Guys, I think that the ones that know me here are fully aware I love the 718 platform. I would absolutely choose a 718 over any 981 (except the GT4, in which I would do unspeakable things to attain). That being said, the 718 is doing poorly... It could be as simple as Porsche guys need a couple of years to get over the past and move on, or as complicated as people are willing to spend more money for sound than they do all around performance... Either way, our cars are not retaining the value that's expected (at least by normal Porsche standards), at least not yet. It seems like Porsche might have a resolution in the works... We will all stay tuned, I guess...
 

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Guys, I think that the ones that know me here are fully aware I love the 718 platform. I would absolutely choose a 718 over any 981 (except the GT4, in which I would do unspeakable things to attain). That being said, the 718 is doing poorly... It could be as simple as Porsche guys need a couple of years to get over the past and move on, or as complicated as people are willing to spend more money for sound than they do all around performance... Either way, our cars are not retaining the value that's expected (at least by normal Porsche standards), at least not yet. It seems like Porsche might have a resolution in the works... We will all stay tuned, I guess...
The real data point that I am interested in is the average turn time of dealer inventory 718's compared to 911's. How long a car sits on the lot has a direct connection to total sales volume and a dealer's willingness to stock more of a specific model.
 

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Either way, our cars are not retaining the value that's expected (at least by normal Porsche standards), at least not yet. It seems like Porsche might have a resolution in the works... We will all stay tuned, I guess...
That was my observation on resale of my 718, as I have said before, it was not pretty. Though, I would choose a 718 over any of the Porsche non-GT car. Not to offend anyone but I really don't like either the Macan or the Cayenne but I know those are big sellers for Porsche.
 

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I can't complain about the depreciation because i got my CPO BS that was 2 years old with 7k miles with an original sticker price of 99k for 67k
 

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That was my observation on resale of my 718, as I have said before, it was not pretty. Though, I would choose a 718 over any of the Porsche non-GT car. Not to offend anyone but I really don't like either the Macan or the Cayenne but I know those are big sellers for Porsche.
The Macan could be a great wife's car :D
 

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I really don't like either the Macan or the Cayenne but I know those are big sellers for Porsche.
Have you tried going to Costco with a Boxster or 911? SUVs are appealing to people who can't have a sports car for practical reasons.

I'm blessed to be able to solve this by having 1 of each.
 
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Have you tried going to Costco with a Boxster or 911? SUVs are appealing to people who can't have a sports car for practical reasons.

I'm blessed to be able to solve this by having 1 of each.
Point well taken but that is what our Honda CRV is for, and it's both comfortable and a pleasure to drive. I had a base Macan loaner when I was having my 3RS serviced and I disliked it so much I drove it home parked in the garage and used our Honda CRV. For me at least, the Macan was both uncomfortable and lethargic.
 

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. That being said, the 718 is doing poorly... It could be as simple as Porsche guys need a couple of years to get over the past and move on, or as complicated as people are willing to spend more money for sound than they do all around performance... Either way, our cars are not retaining the value that's expected (at least by normal Porsche standards), at least not yet.

Ugh...that would be problematic in the pocket for those that turn their cars over regularly. If my plans holds true, longer term ownership should see the depreciation curve even out for historic comparison. No matter, it is what it is, and I will enjoy my car without worrying about resale or depreciation until the time comes. And then, there's not really much that can be done.
 

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99K as MSRP for a Boxster S? That must have had every option imaginable to make it that expensive!
Not really, I just looked at what my own Boxster S would cost on Porsche USA & that comes out at $109,000 & there's still plenty of scope to spend considerably more. For instance my car lacks ceramic brakes & PTV & that's nigh on another $10,000 just there. Even then it would still be far removed from having all of the options. If there's one thing Porsche really knows how to do it's make customers pay through the nose for optional extras.
 

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I know I said this in another thread, but if Porsche just released a power kit that added 30-40 hp and ft/lb that would maintain warranty then they could make some good money on the kit and silence much of the F6 crowd. I am not saying the 718 necessarily needs the extra power, but it would show the advantages of turbocharging even though you sacrifice some sound.
 

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I know I said this in another thread, but if Porsche just released a power kit that added 30-40 hp and ft/lb that would maintain warranty then they could make some good money on the kit and silence much of the F6 crowd. I am not saying the 718 necessarily needs the extra power, but it would show the advantages of turbocharging even though you sacrifice some sound.

I'm pretty sure I don't need more power, heck I'm still in the run-in mileage (at 1750) on my BGTS so I haven't gotten on the go pedal hard yet, but I would probably be someone who would pay for the power kit if it wasn't stupid crazy in price. bring the car up to 390 or so HP (figuring they save the 400 mark for the GT4 and Spyder) and increase the torque. Especially if you could do it as an after delivery/initial purchase type of situation vs factory order.


in terms of sales and resale. I don't purchase cars thinking much about resale as my wife and I have kept every car we've every owned for at least 10 years before getting something new.


of course, working from home helps keep the cars nice for a long time. My daily driver is 9+ years old with around 38k on the odometer.
 

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Or, as has already been suggested, revert back to a flat six.
My thoughts precisely! I believe they might retain a flat 4 Turbo, but will add a flat 6 (no confirmation whether it's naturally aspirated or turbocharged) for higher models. And by higher models, I'm not speaking of the obvious "specialty" cars (GT4, Boxster Spyder, etc...).
 

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Point well taken but that is what our Honda CRV is for, and it's both comfortable and a pleasure to drive. I had a base Macan loaner when I was having my 3RS serviced and I disliked it so much I drove it home parked in the garage and used our Honda CRV. For me at least, the Macan was both uncomfortable and lethargic.
I'm surprised you didn't like the Macan! I think for a small SUV, it's handling and torque curve make it fun to drive, at least compared to the alternatives in its class. I'm of course just talking about the base Macan (I really like and would own a Macan S or GTS, at least for our family car. Not an alternative to a proper sports car of course). When you drive the base Macan in Sport mode and keep the revs up, is surprisingly agile and spirited. Where the base Macan falls on its face is in higher speed acceleration. That's when you really notice the 4 cylinder. When you're on the freeway going 70+ and lay into the throttle, there's not much there in the base model. In a Macan S, if you're doing 70mph+ and lay into the throttle, you have really nice pull! I'm not going to break up with you based on that comment, but consider yourself warned! >:D
 
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