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Hi everyone, bit confused how to approach negotiations and what I should expect in negotiating for a leftover 2018 cayman S near me. Seeing as how it's late February 2020, I know the car should be significantly below sticker. MSRP is at 87k. Dealer has it marked at 69.9k. What should be the goal here? I know it's possible to get 8-10% off MSRP on current model year cars, so I feel perhaps a 20-25% discount is at least warranted? What do you think, would love some advice. Read through discount and pricing threads but nothing really applied to this unique 2 year old situation. Should I attempt to make an offer for 60k?

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PS Dealer also has Boxster GTS's leftover from 2018. 93k MSRP, 83k asking price. They have 4 of these, maybe they would be more motivated to move them? Would the smarter move to try to get a steeper discount on these, which would also hold their resell value in the future better, making my overall cost to own less?

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Hi everyone, bit confused how to approach negotiations and what I should expect in negotiating for a leftover 2018 cayman S near me. Seeing as how it's late February 2020, I know the car should be significantly below sticker. MSRP is at 87k. Dealer has it marked at 69.9k. What should be the goal here? I know it's possible to get 8-10% off MSRP on current model year cars, so I feel perhaps a 20-25% discount is at least warranted? What do you think, would love some advice. Read through discount and pricing threads but nothing really applied to this unique 2 year old situation. Should I attempt to make an offer for 60k?

Thanks!

PS Dealer also has Boxster GTS's leftover from 2018. 93k MSRP, 83k asking price. They have 4 of these, maybe they would be more motivated to move them? Would the smarter move to try to get a steeper discount on these, which would also hold their resell value in the future better, making my overall cost to own less?

Would love to pick your brains.
When did the warranty start, or has the dealer not "put the car in service." I believe the warranty is running on most leftovers for one reason or another. So, this car could have a warranty of anywhere between roughly 2-1/2 years and 4 years. And what was the build month, eg, 9/2017, 5/2018? You can probably see where I'm going with all that. There are new cars, and then there are cars that are new in most every way but for a few reasons are not. The older and less warranty remaining, the more aggressive you can be with your offer.

All that said, $69.9K is right at your 20% off MSRP figure. For a very clean, very low mileage two year old car - since that's what it'll be the minute you drive it off the lot - I feel that 25% off MSRP is a reasonable starting point, and the answers to the above questions might provide ammunition to get you closer to your figure of $60K. Being one of very few "new" 2018s left on the planet, it's a unicorn and these negotiations tend to be as well. Make sure the dealer has done the first year service (Porsche covers it at no-charge), and have them throw in the 2-year service as part of the deal.

Regarding the Boxsters, I think the answer depends on whether you want a convertible or not. That is, assuming all the cars are in mainstream colors and typical builds (anywhere from stripped to loaded, but not outlandishly so), I wouldn't pick one model over the other because of a perceived difference in resale value. These cars are not investments (in the near term anyway) and all will depreciate at similar rates. To me, it's more a matter of ensuring there's a good size market for the car when it comes time to sell. For example some color combinations will limit the market. And yes, a GTS may go for a little more than a similarly equipped S, but I don't think I'd pay more than that difference for it to begin with.

As for the actual build, I don't think it matters much what specific options are included beyond my earlier comment about not paying for an outlandish build. For every buyer looking for a fully loaded car, there seems to be one looking for a stripper, and I think MSRP fairly represents the comparative value of most every build. Interestingly though, I haven't found that options necessarily hold their value particularly well. That is to say, a car with $15K of options won't sell in the used market for $5K more than one with $10K of options, so don't pay up for options you don't feel you want or need.

Good luck. I hope you'll let us know how it all worked out.
 

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$69.9k seems like a good price to begin with. As above, you need to know when the car truly went into service in order to know how much warranty you have left. When I purchased my original '17 Cayman S - it was still new on the lot, but had gone into service 18 months earlier. I had them certify (CPO) the vehicle in order to get another two years of warranty with unlimited mileage - something I think you may want to negotiate into the deal. I can't truly speak to resale value, but it "feels" to me that the GTS variants hold their values better. Truly depends on the options you are looking for though!
 

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$69.9k seems like a good price to begin with. As above, you need to know when the car truly went into service in order to know how much warranty you have left. When I purchased my original '17 Cayman S - it was still new on the lot, but had gone into service 18 months earlier. I had them certify (CPO) the vehicle in order to get another two years of warranty with unlimited mileage - something I think you may want to negotiate into the deal. I can't truly speak to resale value, but it "feels" to me that the GTS variants hold their values better. Truly depends on the options you are looking for though!
Ι agree with all the preceding! The extended warranty is important to have, as there are a few niggling (and potentially expensive) problems in the future of the car (like replacing crazing headlights, which can set you back upwards of $7k...) Insist on the CPO'ing the vehicle.

My gut feel is that GTSs have by definition a set of options (over the S) that are valuable (sport suspension, sport chrono etc). They should hold their value better over 'memory seats'...

But!...

There is this elephant in the room, the 718 GTS 4.0 coming towards the end of this year (?). Any dealer left with a 2018 GTS, might as well marry them! They are not going anywhere, unless sold as 2018 S (somewhere in the mid $50s).

Difficult situation to gauge, maybe start at the low $60s and be prepared for a deal (with CPO) in the middle to upper $60s?
 

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Ι agree with all the preceding! The extended warranty is important to have, as there are a few niggling (and potentially expensive) problems in the future of the car (like replacing crazing headlights, which can set you back upwards of $7k...) Insist on the CPO'ing the vehicle.

My gut feel is that GTSs have by definition a set of options (over the S) that are valuable (sport suspension, sport chrono etc). They should hold their value better over 'memory seats'...

But!...

There is this elephant in the room, the 718 GTS 4.0 coming towards the end of this year (?). Any dealer left with a 2018 GTS, might as well marry them! They are not going anywhere, unless sold as 2018 S (somewhere in the mid $50s).

Difficult situation to gauge, maybe start at the low $60s and be prepared for a deal (with CPO) in the middle to upper $60s?
Personally, I'm not sure I feel that CPO is necessary in these situations although it certainly can't hurt! I'd first find out how much warranty is left and go from there.

I definitely agree that some options are more "valuable" than others, but I think the value in them is that they will broaden the market when it comes time to sell. I'm not so sure they impact the ultimate price paid on the used market though. It's more a matter of some buyers won't consider some cars because they don't have this or that. SportChrono and PASM come to mind as good examples.
 

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First, thank you all for the thoughtful replies so far, here are the options on this car. IMO a little excessive and doesn't have things that I would like like sport chrono and pasm.
  • $3,210
    Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
  • $1,590
    20" Carrera S Wheels
  • $990
    Bose® Surround Sound System
  • $0
    Leather Package
  • $67,700
    718 Cayman S
  • $1,540
    Interior Trim in Carbon Fiber i.c.w. Standard Interior
  • $1,370
    Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way)
  • $1,720
    Porsche Connect Plus
  • $1,780
    Navigation Module for Porsche Communication Management (PCM)
  • $0
    Preparation for Side Window and Window Triangle Trims Painted in Black (High-Gloss)
  • $2,330
    Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
  • $650
    GT Silver Metallic
  • $1,430
    Wheels Painted in Black (High-Gloss)
  • $510
    Exterior Mirrors (Lower Trim) and Window Triangle Painted in High Gloss Black
  • $650
    Leather Package in Black/Bordeaux Red
  • $410
    Rear Wing Painted in Black (High-Gloss)
  • $0
    2-Zone Automatic Climate Control
  • $0
    Bi-Xenon™ Headlights with Porsche Dynamic Light System
  • $67,700
    718 Cayman S
  • $0
    Automatically Dimming Mirrors with Integrated Rain Sensor
  • $0
    Seat Heating

I spoke with the dealer and warranty has not started on any of the cars. Service has not been done. They have been sitting in the lot. I will make sure to have them throw in a service. Will asking them to CPO it be useful in this situation?

If the GTS trim boxsters will not necessarily depreciate slower than the Cayman S then I think I may put my efforts towards finding a good deal on the Cayman - unless of course the dealer is extremely motivated to discount the Boxsters.


Difficult situation to gauge, maybe start at the low $60s and be prepared for a deal (with CPO) in the middle to upper $60s?

Are you referring to the Cayman S or the Boxster GTS? I dont necessarily need a Boxster GTS - however if it's a better deal I could pony up for it especially if I know that I'll recover more for it on the secondhand market - making my total cost of ownership better. In addition, as you all said, I may have some more wiggle room with the 6 cylinder gts 4.0 coming out soon and the fact that this dealer has 4 2018 boxster GTS's! With all the Boxster GTS's listed for 86-89k, where could I start my negotiation? Or should I focus on the Cayman S, as overall, it's still going to be the cheaper car ( no sport chrono, pasm, etc is personally not the biggest deal breaker for me)
 

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First, thank you all for the thoughtful replies so far, here are the options on this car. IMO a little excessive and doesn't have things that I would like like sport chrono and pasm.
  • $3,210
    Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
  • $1,590
    20" Carrera S Wheels
  • $990
    Bose® Surround Sound System
  • $0
    Leather Package
  • $67,700
    718 Cayman S
  • $1,540
    Interior Trim in Carbon Fiber i.c.w. Standard Interior
  • $1,370
    Premium Package i.c.w. Power Sport Seats (14-way)
  • $1,720
    Porsche Connect Plus
  • $1,780
    Navigation Module for Porsche Communication Management (PCM)
  • $0
    Preparation for Side Window and Window Triangle Trims Painted in Black (High-Gloss)
  • $2,330
    Power Sport Seats (14-way) with Memory Package
  • $650
    GT Silver Metallic
  • $1,430
    Wheels Painted in Black (High-Gloss)
  • $510
    Exterior Mirrors (Lower Trim) and Window Triangle Painted in High Gloss Black
  • $650
    Leather Package in Black/Bordeaux Red
  • $410
    Rear Wing Painted in Black (High-Gloss)
  • $0
    2-Zone Automatic Climate Control
  • $0
    Bi-Xenon™ Headlights with Porsche Dynamic Light System
  • $67,700
    718 Cayman S
  • $0
    Automatically Dimming Mirrors with Integrated Rain Sensor
  • $0
    Seat Heating
I spoke with the dealer and warranty has not started on any of the cars. Service has not been done. They have been sitting in the lot. I will make sure to have them throw in a service. Will asking them to CPO it be useful in this situation?

If the GTS trim boxsters will not necessarily depreciate slower than the Cayman S then I think I may put my efforts towards finding a good deal on the Cayman - unless of course the dealer is extremely motivated to discount the Boxsters.





Are you referring to the Cayman S or the Boxster GTS? I dont necessarily need a Boxster GTS - however if it's a better deal I could pony up for it especially if I know that I'll recover more for it on the secondhand market - making my total cost of ownership better. In addition, as you all said, I may have some more wiggle room with the 6 cylinder gts 4.0 coming out soon and the fact that this dealer has 4 2018 boxster GTS's! With all the Boxster GTS's listed for 86-89k, where could I start my negotiation? Or should I focus on the Cayman S, as overall, it's still going to be the cheaper car ( no sport chrono, pasm, etc is personally not the biggest deal breaker for me)
Are you looking for comfort or performance?

IMO the S is a nicely equipped DD... I'd be looking at the Boxster GTS if I were looking for something more performance oriented. Actually now that I've said it, I think either way I'd be looking at one of the GTS cars.
 

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These are the Boxster GTS's:


New 2018 Porsche 718 Boxster Demo





Do any stand out in terms of spec to you all? No preference in color on my end, besides maybe a very slight inclination towards the chalk. Please let me know if I should work towards a Boxster GTS instead of the Cayman S and what number I should start/aim my negotiation efforts towards.

Thank you all so much.
 

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Are you looking for comfort or performance?

IMO the S is a nicely equipped DD... I'd be looking at the Boxster GTS if I were looking for something more performance oriented. Actually now that I've said it, I think either way I'd be looking at one of the GTS cars.

To be frank, I don't think I'd ever track my car - and this would be a DD. Again, I don't think I would "need" a GTS. Is the GTS ride quality significantly harsher than the S? In addition, I've heard the Boxster soft top is essentially the same sound insulation as a Cayman - is that true?
 

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To be frank, I don't think I'd ever track my car - and this would be a DD. Again, I don't think I would "need" a GTS. Is the GTS ride quality significantly harsher than the S? In addition, I've heard the Boxster soft top is essentially the same sound insulation as a Cayman - is that true?
Ride is probably better since it will have PASM (magnetic ride control)

I recently drove a Boxster and was pleasantly surprised by how well the top does for sound insulation. Felt basically the same as my cayman.

I think you've got another 5 grand, if not more in each of those GTS cars, beat them up with the 4.0 release.
 

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They're actually 18' BGTS! Would knowing that, how would you say they should be priced/where should I aim to negotiate them too?
sorry i didn't catch that... personally I'd be in the mid 70's for any of them then. Dealer really boned themselves with that inventory!

You are in California... your values may be a little different than us in the snow belt.
 

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First, thank you all for the thoughtful replies so far, here are the options on this car. IMO a little excessive and doesn't have things that I would like like sport chrono and pasm.
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I spoke with the dealer and warranty has not started on any of the cars. Service has not been done. They have been sitting in the lot. I will make sure to have them throw in a service. Will asking them to CPO it be useful in this situation?

If the GTS trim boxsters will not necessarily depreciate slower than the Cayman S then I think I may put my efforts towards finding a good deal on the Cayman - unless of course the dealer is extremely motivated to discount the Boxsters.

Are you referring to the Cayman S or the Boxster GTS?
If you want Sport Chrono and PASM, it is easier to look for a GTS. An optioned S with the addition of those to options will be difficult to find and even more difficult to negotiate down.

I was referring to the Cayman S for the mid to upper $60s. Getting a mid-^0s deal for a BGTS (2018) would be a spectacular deal, but a bit difficult to get. Who knows...
 

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I was referring to the Cayman S for the mid to upper $60s. Getting a mid-^0s deal for a BGTS (2018) would be a spectacular deal, but a bit difficult to get. Who knows...
Gotcha, so a fair price for the Cayman S would be around mid 60s, while mid 70s for the Boxster GTS - just a feeling, but I feel like the dealer might not move as much as 10 grand from their asking price on the Boxster GTSs. But I guess it won't hurt to try.
 

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For an example... My father in law picked up his 2019 Cayman GTS about 6 weeks ago for 78K about the only thing its missing is Navigation. I think it was close to 98K list
Wow.. in that case purchasing another year older should, in my eyes, should warrant at least another 5-10% discount. Should I start by offering on a Boxster GTS (~65k)? Will I get laughed out the door?



Unsure about which options matter most, and the cars are similarly specced - does anyone have a suggestion/preference for which Boxster I should negotiate towards?
 

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These are the Boxster GTS's:


New 2018 Porsche 718 Boxster Demo





Do any stand out in terms of spec to you all? No preference in color on my end, besides maybe a very slight inclination towards the chalk. Please let me know if I should work towards a Boxster GTS instead of the Cayman S and what number I should start/aim my negotiation efforts towards.

Thank you all so much.
In my opinion all the Boxsters are way overpriced at roughly 90% of MSRP. If they were 2020s sitting on a dealer lot then fine, but not 2018s. All things considered, eg, age, recent announcement of a GTS 4.0 model, not to mention four they haven't been able to move, I'd look for at least 20% to as much as 30% off under the circumstances.

They are all listed as demos. How many miles? Are you sure the warranty hasn't started? I'm at least a little skeptical.

The Cayman looks to be pretty stylized with its choice of options. This may be the reason their initial asking price is comparatively lower than it is for the Boxsters assuming all else is equal, eg, warranty, current mileage, etc.
 

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Agree that you should really check that the warranty hasn’t started on all of these.
 
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