[dpncos]

Hi! New to the forum and gathering info before possibly ordering a 718 Cayman S. There are a few Q's I'm hoping you 718 owners can help with...

1. Is Apple Car Play standard or must I choose Porsche Connect ($1020)?
2. Anyone chose the optional sport exhaust ($2540)? Is it worth it or should I look into an aftermarket exhaust?
3. Is the standard sound system really that bad? I was told the Bose ($990) is a must have.
4. Anyone have experience doing Euro delivery (Stuttgart)?

thanks,

-D

 

[GTS Daddy]

1. CarPlay comes with Connect or Connect Plus. Not standard.
2. Sport Exhaust (PSE) is a great option and totally worth it. It adds value whereas an aftermarket exhaust can take away value.
3. Bose is a must have if you like music. At the same time, Burmester is a $30K home system for only $5K in your car and completely worth it.
4. Any of my customers that elect Euro Delivery have come back with stories of an exceptional experience.

 

[dpncos]

Thanks GTS Daddy!

Another Question--is a rear view camera standard? I couldn't find it as an option in the Configurator.

 

[GTS Daddy]

Thanks GTS Daddy!

Another Question--is a rear view camera standard? I couldn't find it as an option in the Configurator.

Yes. Rear view camera is standard as are the front/rear parking sensors.

I will enter the caveat that I can only speak to Porsche USA equipment as I am not familiar with the remaining global markets.

 

[johan]

If you ask me, skip the Pse!
Disconnect the sound aktor and you will hear that Pse does not add that much in Normal or Sport+, and in Sport i really adds.
Imho the Sport Chrono is way better to choose

 

[4802]

Another Question--is a rear view camera standard? I couldn't find it as an option in the Configurator.[/QUOTE

Click on the heading 'Standard features' on the configurator screen & you'll see it's listed as standard.

 

[4802]

Bose is a must have if you like music. At the same time, Burmester is a $30K home system for only $5K in your car and completely worth it.

I have the Burmester system in my own car & it's very misleading to describe it as being equivalent to a $30K home system for only $5K. It isn't & doesn't reach anything like the standard of reproduction of a home system for even the actual outlay. It's the best factory fit option & therefore I'd still have it, but it still leaves much to be desired.

 

[TheWaitingGame]

Also, you can have the PSE retrofitted and it is the same price as if you were to spec it on your build (at least here in Belgium), so perhaps (like me), if there is other stuff you want on the car more which you can't retrofit, spec that, wait till your exhaust has broken in, if you're still not happy with exhaust note, get PSE retrofitted... At least that is my plan. I specced it as far as my budget would allow. Could not, or did not want, to spec PSE to sacrifice other options. If I still feel I need it, I'll have it fitted later on...

 

[GTS Daddy]

Also, you can have the PSE retrofitted and it is the same price as if you were to spec it on your build (at least here in Belgium), so perhaps (like me), if there is other stuff you want on the car more which you can't retrofit, spec that, wait till your exhaust has broken in, if you're still not happy with exhaust note, get PSE retrofitted... At least that is my plan. I specced it as far as my budget would allow. Could not, or did not want, to spec PSE to sacrifice other options. If I still feel I need it, I'll have it fitted later on...

Granted, but consider it will cost more to install at a later date than to add it from the factory. The labor charges to route the module and switch beyond simply installing the exhaust add up quickly.

 

[Porsche2018]

1. Not standard.
2. Sports exhaust is great, well worth it, in my opinion.
3. Love the Bose......excellent sound but the best sound is the engine with Sports Exhaust on.
4. have not done that so I am also interested in the answer for my next Porsche.**

** only concern with Euro delivery is I want to have the car wrapped with a PPF (Suntek Ultra) before driving, and it may be hard to arrange in Germany.

 

[TheWaitingGame]

Also, you can have the PSE retrofitted and it is the same price as if you were to spec it on your build (at least here in Belgium), so perhaps (like me), if there is other stuff you want on the car more which you can't retrofit, spec that, wait till your exhaust has broken in, if you're still not happy with exhaust note, get PSE retrofitted... At least that is my plan. I specced it as far as my budget would allow. Could not, or did not want, to spec PSE to sacrifice other options. If I still feel I need it, I'll have it fitted later on...

Granted, but consider it will cost more to install at a later date than to add it from the factory. The labor charges to route the module and switch beyond simply installing the exhaust add up quickly.

good point but still I wish I knew beforehand you can even retrofit the navigation and cruisecontrol... literally just found that out. Should've swapped those for PASM (which obv you cannot retrofit). Idiot that I am... live and learn!

 

[Viffermike]

Granted, but consider it will cost more to install at a later date than to add it from the factory. The labor charges to route the module and switch beyond simply installing the exhaust add up quickly.

Actually, both the Bose and Burmester are likely impossible to add after the car's built because both run off of a fiber optic-based MOST control interface that is bypassed in the SPP. The base Sound Package Plus is completely analog and can, therefore, be upgraded with aftermarket audio gear to be better than either the Bose or the Burmester.

Also, your statement about the Bose being a 'must-have if you like music' is extremely humorous if you're like myself and @Chilli: audiophiles who know better. Yes, the Bose upgrade is an incremental improvement over the SPP and worth the $1k option cost if your music appreciation level is relatively pedestrian, you don't want to mess with the car's audio at all, and you won't be frustrated with still-subpar sound quality. Thing is, the 718's PCM4 audio has the capability to play very high-quality music as OEM, and the Bose can't even come close to reproducing that advantage. The Burmester can come much closer, (again) incrementally -- but as @Chilli notes, it's not a $20k home system.

 

[Viffermike]

good point but still I wish I knew beforehand you can even retrofit the navigation and cruisecontrol... literally just found that out. Should've swapped those for PASM (which obv you cannot retrofit). Idiot that I am... live and learn!

@GTS Daddy: Also, retrofitting does not always include all from-the-factory functionality. For instance, the OEM Nav retrofit does not include several key functions, including the alternate map view in the right-hand gauge nacelle. Just some food for more thought. >

 

[TheWaitingGame]

good point but still I wish I knew beforehand you can even retrofit the navigation and cruisecontrol... literally just found that out. Should've swapped those for PASM (which obv you cannot retrofit). Idiot that I am... live and learn!

@GTS Daddy: Also, retrofitting does not always include all from-the-factory functionality. For instance, the OEM Nav retrofit does not include several key functions, including the alternate map view in the right-hand gauge nacelle. Just some food for more thought. /forum/images/718forum/smilies/tango_face_devil.png

think that was probably aimed more at me than at GTS daddy . Good to know for future reference...

 

[Porsche2018]

Still feel the Bose upgrade is darn good.....it's a sports car with decent sound not the Philharmonic. Rock-n-Roll sounds real good.

 

[4802]

Actually, both the Bose and Burmester are likely impossible to add after the car's built because both run off of a fiber optic-based MOST control interface that is bypassed in the SPP. The base Sound Package Plus is completely analog and can, therefore, be upgraded with aftermarket audio gear to be better than either the Bose or the Burmester.

Also, your statement about the Bose being a 'must-have if you like music' is extremely humorous if you're like myself and @Chilli: audiophiles who know better. Yes, the Bose upgrade is an incremental improvement over the SPP and worth the $1k option cost if your music appreciation level is relatively pedestrian, you don't want to mess with the car's audio at all, and you won't be frustrated with still-subpar sound quality. Thing is, the 718's PCM4 audio has the capability to play very high-quality music as OEM, and the Bose can't even come close to reproducing that advantage. The Burmester can come much closer, (again) incrementally -- but as @Chilli notes, it's not a $20k home system.

I have the Burmester system because I wanted the best available without having to go aftermarket. The only reason for not wanting to go aftermarket is the extremely restrictive extended warranty requirements in the U.K. I intend to extend that warranty, as I have with my previous Porsches, so my hands are effectively tied. It may not have been clear from my previous comment, but by comparison to a home audio system the Burmester upgrade (a U.S $4,690 upgrade, that isn't inclusive of a source component, which you already have) would compare extremely badly to a home system that included a source server/streamer at considerably less cost than just that upgrade. You can forget about comparisons to a $30K or even $20K home system, that's totally unrealistic nonsense (no offence intended, but it is) & to my knowledge is also completely unachievable within the context of a car environment. Anyone expecting that kind of performance from the Burmester upgrade will be sorely disappointed. Despite the fact that I listen to music on a daily basis, I nowadays rarely ever listen in my 718 despite having the best factory fit system available.

 

[Viffermike]

I have the Burmester system because I wanted the best available without having to go aftermarket. The only reason for not wanting to go aftermarket is the extremely restrictive extended warranty requirements in the U.K. I intend to extend that warranty, as I have with my previous Porsches, so my hands are effectively tied. It may not have been clear from my previous comment, but by comparison to a home audio system the Burmester upgrade (a U.S $4,690 upgrade, that isn't inclusive of a source component, which you already have) would compare extremely badly to a home system that included a source server/streamer at considerably less cost than just that upgrade. You can forget about comparisons to a $30K or even $20K home system, that's totally unrealistic nonsense (no offence intended, but it is) & to my knowledge is also completely unachievable within the context of a car environment. Anyone expecting that kind of performance from the Burmester upgrade will be sorely disappointed. Despite the fact that I listen to music on a daily basis, I nowadays rarely ever listen in my 718 despite having the best factory fit system available.

Preachin' to the choir, good sir! Preachin' to the choir! (I run a NAS through both an Apple Mac Mini and a Cambridge Audio CXN digital streamer/processor). >

 

[trusted]

The Burmester is a $3000 car audio system for $5000. It's the best available from factory but I passed. Music I listen to at home. In my 718 I listen to the mechanics/engine and very rarely to music. Bose is plenty fine for it imo.

 

[GTS Daddy]

Tough crowd.

In my previous life I was an Audio Engineer in the music/tv commercial space and a Sound Designer for video games. Audio quality is/was a core of my existence. Most music lovers have their best sound systems in their car even though audiophiles are convinced that without floating floors, an acoustically balanced room, and consistent power you don't have jack. Quality components of course also play a vital role. Concerning cars, they are one of the most acoustically challenged environments to effectively listen to music. Are you opening the windows to truly hear the low frequencies? If not, you will not gain the full effect.

However, even though the audio snobs will all tell you that the car is one of the worst places to listen to music, most music lovers wouldn't be enjoying their music in their everyday as much as if they didn't have good systems in their cars. It's their free time to just enjoy.

For most, the BOSE upgrade is a great system in the Cayman. The Burmester is a sizable upgrade with wideband technology and top quality componentry. Noted once more that there is nothing that will compete with a great room setup, but that's not what we have in a compromised and acoustically challenged teeny tiny car interior.

Look, you know a lot and we get it. It's the internet and everyone knows all about everything. At the same time, let's not try to ruin the experience for those out there that for them the BOSE truly is the best sound system they have ever experienced! On the other hand, it's the internet, so it's completely up to you on how you share your perspective.

 

[dpncos]

Haha...lots of good info on the sound system options.

My pedestrian ears are congruent with my plebeian wallet so I'll go with the Bose.