[31073]

Just locked my build, and even without the larger 16.9-gal tank (which was a mild disappointment), ordered the 6MT. If I don't find a cheapo manual car to teach my daughters how to drive stick, might teach them in mine once temps come down, so the clutch doesn't overheat. By the way, do our cars have a reachable (remote) clutch valve to bleed the clutch? Hope so. For what I've read, most manuals I've owned lately don't, which is a disappointment. My ex-'20 Bullitt manual didn't have one.

 

[GottiOfTheDeep]

Just locked my build, and even without the larger 16.9-gal tank (which was a mild disappointment), ordered the 6MT.

You made the BEST choice.

 

[Thunder]

I will say that I find it a bit disappointing that Porsche makes their clutches such that the Car and Driver test Cayman S required a new clutch by 30,000 miles, and such that people here would be worried to teach someone to drive a manual transmission on their Boxster or Cayman. I would have hoped that the clutches that Porsche puts in these cars would be more robust, as Porsche cars in general have a reputation for being robust.

 

[TooTurbo]

I will say that I find it a bit disappointing that Porsche makes their clutches such that the Car and Driver test Cayman S required a new clutch by 30,000 miles, and such that people here would be worried to teach someone to drive a manual transmission on their Boxster or Cayman. I would have hoped that the clutches that Porsche puts in these cars would be more robust, as Porsche cars in general have a reputation for being robust.

C&D probably did a lot of launches and that car probably saw a lot of abuse being used my multiple car journalists. If you don't abuse it they will last awhile. Over 600k miles and this owner is on his second clutch

How a Porsche 996 Turbo survived 678,000 miles of adventure and adversity

Marqued

marqued.com

 

[jcarboy]

Agreed on both points above. However I will say, I've driven a manual since taking my driver's test, and almost 30 years later I've never stalled a car more than the first few months with my boxster. The engine seems like it has very low inertia, so RPMs are quite sensitive both spinning up and down. If you aren't engaging the clutch and gas at the right time the RPMs will drop like a rock. Jumping back into my old BMW and it's almost like how can someone NOT work the manual

Don't let them get discouraged, it's not a ridiculous car to learn on, but it won't mask sloppy foot work as much as other manuals. And they won't have any bad habits engrained that would ultimately damage the transmission!

 

[Thunder]

Agreed on both points above. However I will say, I've driven a manual since taking my driver's test, and almost 30 years later I've never stalled a car more than the first few months with my boxster. The engine seems like it has very low inertia, so RPMs are quite sensitive both spinning up and down. If you aren't engaging the clutch and gas at the right time the RPMs will drop like a rock. Jumping back into my old BMW and it's almost like how can someone NOT work the manual

Don't let them get discouraged, it's not a ridiculous car to learn on, but it won't mask sloppy foot work as much as other manuals. And they won't have any bad habits engrained that would ultimately damage the transmission!

Your experience would seem to be consistent with what has been described as a lightweight flywheel.

 

[224 PJ]

There is an interesting interview with Michael Roesler, head of the 911 Model line in "CAR" magazine this month. In it he comments that whilst 50% of 911 customers in the USA want a manual transmission, only 2% of the outgoing 992 s GTS European customers take a manual so it isn't worth Porsche developing a manual GTS hybrid.
I suspect the distribution is the same in the 4.0L 718s.

Given that the 992.2 hybrid GTS is not a viable engineering project to take a manual transmission it looks as though the USA sales of. hybrid 992.2. vehicles will suffer. But there will be other versions of the 992.2 with manual transmissions.....

I wonder how the fully EV 718 replacement will be impacted.

I can see EV/hybrid and ICE running in parallel for some time...as long as new ICEs are not prohibited.

 

[OttawaSteve]

There is an interesting interview with Michael Roesler, head of the 911 Model line in "CAR" magazine this month. In it he comments that whilst 50% of 911 customers in the USA want a manual transmission, only 2% of the outgoing 992 s GTS European customers take a manual so it isn't worth Porsche developing a manual GTS hybrid.
I suspect the distribution is the same in the 4.0L 718s.

Given that the 992.2 hybrid GTS is not a viable engineering project to take a manual transmission it looks as though the USA sales of. hybrid 992.2. vehicles will suffer. But there will be other versions of the 992.2 with manual transmissions.....

I wonder how the fully EV 718 replacement will be impacted.

I can see EV/hybrid and ICE running in parallel for some time...as long as new ICEs are not prohibited.

That's interesting, as the manual take rate in US 911's does not seem to be anywhere near 50% if you go by the for sale ads in Panorama. In the May issue there were 32 991/992 911's for sale. 24 were PDK. This doesn't count the Turbo's, which are all PDK. Maybe manual owners keep them longer, but 80% is pretty convincing.

 

[DCFC]

That's interesting, as the manual take rate in US 911's does not seem to be anywhere near 50% if you go by the for sale ads in Panorama. In the May issue there were 32 991/992 911's for sale. 24 were PDK. This doesn't count the Turbo's, which are all PDK. Maybe manual owners keep them longer, but 80% is pretty convincing.

My guess is the 50% take rate is on the GT cars. When I did PECLA in my own car, the instructors were so happy to see it was a manual. I recall there a being ~10 cars there that day and the only other manual was a GT3 Touring.

 

[yellolab]

Someone should start a "Do you own a PDK or manual" pro thread here. Small samples size I know but it would be interesting.
I, like @OttawaSteve, think the manual percentage is MUCH less than 50%.

 

[OttawaSteve]

My guess is the 50% take rate is on the GT cars. When I did PECLA in my own car, the instructors were so happy to see it was a manual. I recall there a being ~10 cars there that day and the only other manual was a GT3 Touring.

Aha, yes the GT cars makes sense.

 

[31073]

Salesman told me no more manual 911s in 2025. Zero. Is that true? But he said he's not surprised, since you cannot get a Carrera or even Carrera S in manual now. With the 992.2 change (to incorporate hybrid powertrain), reportedly no manual option was incorporated (or possible). So maybe not even special editions, like the current S/T? I'd be very surprised, but maybe it's true. Just curious. At least the 718s will continue offering a manual, albeit at a much higher cost than before (now a 'no cost' option, after a 5 grand price hike)... and only for a year, since it's reportedly on its way out with an ICE. Sad times. Hope my upcoming '24 manual Cayman doesn't depreciate as fast as PDKs.

 

[224 PJ]

It is possible that there will be a manual 911 (992.2) in the future, the car market is so confused that manufacturers, especially small volume sports car makers like Porsche, are not making commitments more than a year ahead.

 

[Mark_G]

I've no idea what Porsche might or might not do, but they are not a small volume manufacturer so will have to play by the rules of the markets they operate in. That's why the 718 is now unavailable in EU member countries and those signed up or aligned to current and future EU regs.

 

[224 PJ]

I've no idea what Porsche might or might not do, but they are not a small volume manufacturer so will have to play by the rules of the markets they operate in. That's why the 718 is now unavailable in EU member countries and those signed up or aligned to current and future EU regs.

They are not a "Small Volume Manufacturer" as defined in EU laws, but relative to others the number of cars they make means they don't enjoy the economies of scale that others have.
The UK has not signed up to allign with EU rules, but that may change. So for now 718s are still available in the UK.
For me it is rather academic as I no longer buy new cars....!

 

[Thunder]

They are not a "Small Volume Manufacturer" as defined in EU laws, but relative to others the number of cars they make means they don't enjoy the economies of scale that others have.
The UK has not signed up to allign with EU rules, but that may change. So for now 718s are still available in the UK.
For me it is rather academic as I no longer buy new cars....!

My reasoning for ordering a new BGTS was weighted heavily on the fact that used 4.0’s were priced above sticker.

 

[ThreePedalEd]

That's interesting, as the manual take rate in US 911's does not seem to be anywhere near 50% if you go by the for sale ads in Panorama. In the May issue there were 32 991/992 911's for sale. 24 were PDK. This doesn't count the Turbo's, which are all PDK. Maybe manual owners keep them longer, but 80% is pretty convincing.

Oh Steve....

24/32 = 75% not 80%.

Sorry, math police tendencies are hard to overcome. But at least you know I read your posts thoroughly.

 

[OttawaSteve]

Oh Steve....

24/32 = 75% not 80%.

Sorry, math police tendencies are hard to overcome. But at least you know I read your posts thoroughly.

I rounded it off...
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

[31073]

My reasoning for ordering a new BGTS was weighted heavily on the fact that used 4.0’s were priced above sticker.

Did you get it a sticker? Nice. Dealers here are still jacking up list prices by 15 grand, so no go. I saw a new one discounted 11 grand, but when I saw it, they had sold it already. It was loaded to the gills, very close to how I wanted it, so it'd had been perfect. It was a $114K car for $103K. I didn't want to spend more than 90 on the car alone, but that's the base. I'd have lost less money buying that $103K car than the $90K I'll buy, but all other GTSs were priced ridiculously high, so no go there. When I test drove the SE, thinking I was going to ditch the car and get something else, I was extremely pleased how the engine sounded, especially the cold start. Actually nicer than the 6, probably everywhere below 4K rpm. So decided to get it instead of an LC500, which was more on the touring side. It's probably as quick as that car, and it has 40% the engine. Ha ha. Looking forward to it in October. And yes, the short gearing will keep me from speeding too much, as I HATE hearing the engine screaming on the highway (especially unnecessarily), so that's the bright side. Ha ha. It won't even do 80 at 3K rpm, and TX is 80, so might do 85 (like 3.3K rpm), just like I do with my naked BMW bike. Probably not even a need for a radar detector. Ha ha.

 

[DCFC]

Honestly, I don't even notice the engine noise at highway cruising speed. I do drive in sport plus, so the exhaust valve is open. But I ripped out the Soundaktor, so no more fake noises. This car has very low revs compared to my s2000; 4k rpm at 75mph. And having the soft top convertible roof, I just heard all the other cars around me anyway.