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Coming from a 981, I know it has a AGM type battery, but I also know that Li-Ion is gaining in popularity... then I saw this in the Porsche Charge-o-mat manual:

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So is anyone seeing a Li-Ion type of battery being offered on the configurator or simply coming in as standard equipment?
 

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When I mentioned that I looked, I meant at the GT3 configurator, I did not see that a Li-Ion battery was available for it or the GT2...

As for the 718, I figured that it might be early days to see the Li-Ion battery as an option, I thought that perhaps as the GT4 and Spyder are GT cars and there was a desire to save weight, the somewhat pricy option of this battery type might be seen.
 

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Other than maybe some marginal weight saving, why would one spend consequentially more for a li-ion battery when the existing AGM battery performs so well? A car battery is only designed to start a car then be immediately recharged so jamming more available energy into the battery at additional cost serves no obvious purpose in my mind.
 

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I don't think it was so much a desire to spend money to 'replace' a currently installed battery, it was more a question of if it were an option at time of build or when the AGM unit fails if it were possible to go Li-Ion at that time.

TBH, I am too cheap to take delivery of a new car then go out and replace a perfectly good battery just to save a few pounds! ?
 

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Antigravity makes a nice Li-Ion aftermarket battery, GT3/4, 718 who ever, all the same battery.

 

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Antigravity makes a nice Li-Ion aftermarket battery, GT3/4, 718 who ever, all the same battery.
Porsche Motorsports battery:
Suncoast Porsche Motorsports Li-Ion Battery ... $5195

Antigravity H6 Lithium Ion Battery - 40 Ah ............ $830

That's greater markup than the finest restaurants get for their most outstanding wines.

Oh Garcon...please make mine Antigravity!
 
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Antigravity makes a nice Li-Ion aftermarket battery, GT3/4, 718 who ever, all the same battery.

Awesome, thanks for both links, rather than just saying, a link really helps!

Yowser!, the Porsche Motorsports unit is absurdly expensive, nice outer case though! :rolleyes:

The Antigravity unit is much more what I expected in cost, more than a Porsche OEM AGM variety but not so much so that you might not be tempted if you find that you need to replace the OEM unit at some point in the future. I did see on the Suncoast site that dealer programing was required, interesting because in the ad in Panorama it claims Plug and Play, no PIWIS update.

All good to know if/when the time comes... Cheers!
 

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Yeah, I almost fell off my seat when I saw the $5.2k price of that Porsche Lithium battery! Although 30lbs is quite a saving but not sure if it would make much difference unless you are a weight weenie! The battery is near the middle of the car anyway. Although the price of the Antigravity batteries do seem more reasonable but I wonder how they go with stop/start and deep cycling which is what the AGM battery is designed for and why it lasts so long.
 

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These cars do put significant pressure on the battery system to perform, not the least of which is the Start/Stop function, I never used it much (almost never) in my 981, still you make a point about repeated engine restarts after depletion while stopped at traffic lights...

I suppose it will be years before you or I would have to worry, we should know a lot more by then either from Porsche or real world feedback.
 

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The Porsche Lithium batteries have been hugely problematic with large number of failures and poor warranty.
Antigravity brand is by far the best option if considering a change or replacement.
 

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These cars do put significant pressure on the battery system to perform, not the least of which is the Start/Stop function, I never used it much (almost never) in my 981, still you make a point about repeated engine restarts after depletion while stopped at traffic lights...
If I understand it correctly, auto start/stop feature does not really stress the battery. The high starting load is very brief (<1 sec) and if you look at the energy used per start it is relatively minimal and is quickly replaced by the charging system. Also, it is an easy start since the engine was just running, up to temp, and well lubed. The battery is never even close to being depleted by a start.

From my experience with BMW X3s, going back to 2011, the electrical systems are very robust and with 3KW alternators and big ass AGP batteries. The electronic voltage control allows the charger to charge and keep up with high loads even at idle (that is precisely maintained with the engine computer even at high alternator load). I had my my 2011 X3 in upstate NY in a town on Lake Ontario. The winters were very harsh. When I left for work in the morning I would first start the car and then immediately turn the heater fan on high, the rear window defogger, the headlights driver's seat heater, and steering wheel heater. Then I would wipe the snow off the car. I noticed the voltage, even at idle with this large load, remained well over 14 volts. This meant at idle the alternator was not only keeping up with the electrical load, it was charging the battery. My Boxster appears to have an equally robust electrical system (sized appropriately for the car) although I have never had to test it in harsh weather.
 

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If I understand it correctly, auto start/stop feature does not really stress the battery. The high starting load is very brief (<1 sec) and if you look at the energy used per start it is relatively minimal and is quickly replaced by the charging system. Also, it is an easy start since the engine was just running, up to temp, and well lubed. The battery is never even close to being depleted by a start.
I know a well engineered and properly maintained and tuned engine takes a lot less energy to start... but that is only one variable of the Auto Stop/Start functionality.

What I am thinking about is how long you may be sitting there with the engine stopped and no charging, A/C or heater running, lights on, maybe seat heating, stereo playing all draining your battery... There have been a number of posts now that Auto Stop/Start stops working on the car because the computer determines that the battery will not have the required energy to properly support this function, and even when it does, I have had occasions where the car's engine restarts before I plan to pull away because the current load is already depleting it to a questionable point.
 

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I know a well engineered and properly maintained and tuned engine takes a lot less energy to start... but that is only one variable of the Auto Stop/Start functionality.

What I am thinking about is how long you may be sitting there with the engine stopped and no charging, A/C or heater running, lights on, maybe seat heating, stereo playing all draining your battery... There have been a number of posts now that Auto Stop/Start stops working on the car because the computer determines that the battery will not have the required energy to properly support this function, and even when it does, I have had occasions where the car's engine restarts before I plan to pull away because the current load is already depleting it to a questionable point.
From what I recall from an article written when these systems were debuting, the biggest victim in your engine is the crankshaft. As I understand it, the crankshaft is strained most during start, as it's normally driven by the pistons in a rhythm, whereas during start it's driving them out of rhythm. Auto Start/Stop (AS/S) engines have redesigned internal parts in consideration of this (how well remains to be seen).

I would not worry too much about the system in your Porsche. If it bothers you, just use the defeat button. AGMs are deep cycle batteries, have been around for decades, and should pose you no problems. Besides, AS/S is a city thing. Driving across Montana it won't do squat for anything, except needlessly boost the purchase price of the car.

FWIW, you are far more likely to be affected by an such a system by getting stuck at an intersection when a 3rd-owner AS/S Hyundai dies because of a driver who doesn't do any maintenance.
 

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I would not worry too much about the system in your Porsche. If it bothers you, just use the defeat button. AGMs are deep cycle batteries, have been around for decades, and should pose you no problems. Besides, Auto Start/Stop (AS/S) is a city thing. Driving across Montana it won't do squat for anything, except needlessly boost the purchase price of the car.

FWIW, you are far more likely to be affected by an such a system by getting stuck at an intersection when a 3rd-owner AS/S Hyundai dies because of a driver who doesn't do any maintenance.
I won't be worrying about the system in my car when it arrives, in the last 2 I simply turned it off, more because in a MT car you had to shift into neutral and take your foot off the clutch for it to activate, fine at a long light but not good for short ones. This was more a discussion on the type of battery that could be used and if a Li-Ion met that requirement.
 

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@Westcoaster I'm a bit confused. If you have no plans to allow the AS/S to operate, what difference does it make to the battery (post #16)?
Fair question, and to be clear, I would never put a replacement part into a car that could not support the systems that came in it from the factory. My questions about the Li-Ion battery was more to determine if I ever needed to replace the battery, if the Li-Ion would be able to support everything that could be expected of it. (post#18)
 
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