I could care less what others think of my Cayman.

I bought my 718 for me. When I ordered it I built what I wanted. I will use it in any way that I see fit. After this winter I will sell my 535xiT, then use the sale proceeds to buy a winter wheel and tire package. The Cayman will then be my 24/7/365 car. I will drive it in all manner of weather. I will pile on the miles. I will pack it full for road trips. All of which is exactly what Porsche intended.

Would I like to continue to have my '87 911 in my garage? Of course. But multiple Porsches at once is not in the cards.

I will maintain "2SYLBLS" in a manner that exceeds Porsche's expectations. I will smile every time that I look at it. I will drive it with vigor until I can no longer get in and out of it. I will then sell it and buy a Porsche that I CAN get in and out of, reveling in the memories of the miles in the Cayman.

 

I just checked on the Kelly Blue Book website for general value of my 2018 Cayman with 7700 miles. It lists a current value range of $51,692 - $55,234 for my car.

I bought it for cash new in December 2017 for $54,800.

I'm just fine with this.

I fully intend to keep and enjoy for at least the next 10 years.

 

Porsche likely isn't going back to a 6 for the 718s. That makes no sense.

If anything we're headed to electrification.

Any future 6s are gonna be in the GT spec cars. I think everything else is just "wishful thinking" from internet video site commenter types.

 

What i think folks are failing to see here is, if Porsche puts a f6 in the new body style, it will no longer be labeled a "718 Cayman", it will be labeled as simply a "Cayman". The 718 was brought about as a reference to the original 4 cyl race car, hence the "718" designation. IF Porsche makes a model with a f6, it will no doubt be a few rungs up the ladder from the 718 in price and not an option for some folks such as myself who bought a 718 S because it hit the affordable price point....

 

My source says that pretty for sure that the next engine that will arrive on the 718 is this one:

 

My source says that pretty for sure that the next engine that will arrive on the 718 is this one:

Round motors! I like it!

And speaking of creative power sources......

I've always been a fan of nice four-cylinder cars like the Beast of Turin.

28.5 liters (or over 7 liters per cylinder!)

I can dream! (I'm going to Goodwood next Sept and hope to see this car plus other vintage monsters)

 

There is a risk that the value of our cars will fall if Porsche goes back to 6 cylinders, and that sucks for those who wants to sell.
I dont have any plans so i dont really care about it.
Times are changing, the planets resources are limited we all gonna end up with electric or hydrogen cars anyway


But i do find it interesting how important it is that a Porsche Must have 6 cylinders.....
In my book it is "Bad Engineering" to go back to a bigger 6 cylinder engine without a turbo with the same or a bit more hp.


Just see what they manage to do with the 919, a tiny 2L V4 producing +500 hp and it survives 24h of Le Mans. (919 Evo +700hp)
Thats engineering at its Best!!
Interesting link that shows how much of a beating a LMP1 has to withstand....
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/motorsports/le-mans-2015-porsche-one-two-facts-figures-11135.html


I love Tech posts made by @ZuffenHouseRules
And people tend to forgett to see things from the Tech side!!

 

I can only agree, but unfortunately with the hate towards the 9A2B4 instigated by the car journalists, professionals and amateurs alike, and intensified by, the mostly uninitiated, youtube commenters, it is a natural response to try to defend what they have chosen to buy and love.
Rational? No, but then again very little about 718 ownership is.
I chose to buy a 718 despite being warned against it due to a higher than average (compared to 6 cylinder Porsches) depriciation based solely on the cylinder count.
Warned against it from other Porsche owners and enthusiast no less.
So I must admit that the rumours that Porsche is making a 6 cylinder 718 (besides the GT4) worries me a bit, both because it would most likely magnify the depreciation of my 718, but more so because I am thinking that even Porsche them selves is starting to doubt the 4 cylinder engines place in the 718.
I for one believe that Porsche could keep the entire 718 line-up (including the GT4/Spyder) based on 4 cylinder engines and still have a fantastic result.
Would the addition of one or more 6 cylinder 718 models change my mind of my 4 cylinder 718?
No, but when/if I choose to sell it again, I would be a bit sad if it has depreciated a large amount more than a 6 cylinder model, especially after most likely having delivered many hours and miles of excitement and driving pleasure.
Not so much because of the financial loss, that is to be expected when "investing" in cars, but more because that extra depreciation will quantify how truly unappreciated such a great sports car is by others, only because of the cylinder count.

 

I would be a bit sad if it has depreciated a large amount more than a 6 cylinder mode

I suspect that any potential F6 718 of similar power** to your H4 will, after 5 years, have depreciated to a point where the delta in residual value is less than you spent on your costliest option. And way less than what you saved by shopping for CPO, dealer leftover type best deals originally (if you did that).

In the big picture this relative depreciation comparison is over-blown I think, but in any case it sounds like you're in the best position to beat the curve by amortizing a car you love over a long period. *That* is ultimately going to keep more money in your pocket than frequently turning-over cars with slightly less steep depreciation curve....

So relax about depreciation and continue to appreciate your 9A2B4 (along with Randy Pobst and Tom Murphy at Ward Automotive among many experts).

**just to make this a like-to-like hypothetical comparison apart from cylinder-count

 

As posted in another thread, I'm starting the rumour of a blown small block V8. Lots of torque plus more cylinders than a 6.

 

I actually have it from a quite reliable source that the facelifted 718 versions will have a cylinder count of zero, they will all be powered by by gas turbines, GT4 and Spyder variants will have afterburners for extra power and flames >

 

I agree with the post above ?. However that being the case, here in Canada ( Ontario), 981’s that are two years older with similar mileage are selling for the same amount 718’s are with same mileage even though they’re newer. So, the 981 (albeit) inferior in many ways have “ thus far” seemed to hold their value better then the used 718’s. Will that trend continue? Remains to be seen. I love my 718 S. I purchased a highly optioned Cayman CPO last summer and still I’m seeing cars that hAve half the mileage mine does trading at the same price. So the numbers don’t lie but is it really warranted? I dunno I still plan to enjoy my car for a good period without even thinking of trading but when I am ready, I’ll trade back to Porsche or another dealer so that when I do upgrade, I’m not losing the tax spend as I’d only be paying tax on the delta between my car and whatever I choose to purchase. So, the question is, will Porsche dealers give a good value for trades if you’re trading up for a car on their lot? These are the questions I have moreso than, “ Oh no, no one likes my car and it’s going to be worthless”. Lol

 

I frequently see folks talk about how the 981 is holding value but I don't see it in the US.

Looking at the Black Book value for 981 doesn't tell me they are doing anything other than depreciate like a normal car. I've also seen used cars sit for months with no takers even though they seem pretty reasonable to a cheapskate like me.

Bottom line is you are getting vigged on your trade-in, period, whatever car you own...unless you overpay for the new car. The bid/ask is just too high to do "well". Sure factoring in the tax offset helps but you are still going to take a decent hit. Best way to avoid depreciation is keep you car and enjoy it longer. I bought my first Porsche, a pristine 987 Boxster S that was about 18 months old with CPO, one owner. I got it from the dealer for about 65% of MSRP. Don't even want to think about the hit the guy who traded in that car took.


EDIT:

For example Black Book trade-in values for clean cars: ( I didn't add any options)

2017 718 Cayman S 10,000 miles: $62,190
2016 981 Cayman S 10,000 miles: $55,590
2016 981 Cayman S 20,000 miles: $53,765


From these numbers, I don't see anything to get my knickers in a knot.

 

I don't see your numbers here in Italy

987-981 are on sale here, they cost less than a Mazda MX5 (from 20.000 to 30.000 €)

You keep the value only if you own a GT2-GT3-GT4...

Used 718 instead still costs a lot. (not less than 55.000 €)


It depends on the country market you're talking about.

Here, no one wants big engines, because of our taxes.

Everyone wants, the newer one, the coolest, the smallest engine displacement.


And (If we jump ahead with fantasies) as happened before with other cars, if Porsche really puts out some 3000 cc F6, in five years they'll value LESS than 2000 B4 Turbos.

And also, in that case, in the used market 2.0 will keep even more the value.

Here, thing like Nissan Nismo, Mustangs and other big blocks, have NO resale value.

 

I don't think that Porsche will go back to NA 6 cyl engines for the 718. They can but... the short term future is turbocharging. ALL 911s with the exception of GT3 for next year (then who knows) are turbos. So unless they want to drive the 718 to a technological dead end, why would they?

I read elsewhere, that the GT department resisted turbocharging stubbornly. Now the 911 GT2 RS is turbocharged. This resistance was present in BMW, Mercedes and Porsche as I said. I am not sure whether some European regulations favor NA engines for racing in certain classes. My guess is that the 'culture' in the racing development departments was that 'real engineers don't design 'dial-a-horsepower' engines' like Subaru did...

The bigger question is what is in store for the transition to EV. I am not sure whether the 718 can fit a hybrid engine, so the question(s) is(are)

a) Will the 718 be discontinued after (a couple of years?) the 911 goes hybrid?

b) Will Porsche spend the development money for a smaller engine hybrid 718?

c) Will Porsche drag its heels on replacing the ICE engine for the 718 until the 718 EV is ready?

d) Highly unlikely, but, will Porsche present a 718 EV before a 911 EV to gauge reactions?

I have no dog in this race, regardless of the outcome, as I will be over 70 by then and I do not envision myself buying a 700 PS monster, either hybrid or EV.

A Macan maybe?

 

Hi, this is my first post on the forum! My 2017 CS should be here on Friday, it is being rerouted through the avalanches in Colorado!! Ughh!


I just finished reading an article in Road&Track that Porsche isn't making any changes to the 718 until at least 2023 due to the upcoming Euro-7 emissions regulations which they say will completely alter the architecture of the platforms. This would totally debunk the whole rumor of going back to a F6. At least that is my take!


I can't post a link yet, but you can look it up with "718 Boxster and Cayman Will Stick Around Until 2023".

 

Here's the link to the article that VH1 referred to :-

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sh...car-shows/geneva-auto-show/a26662829/porsche-718-boxster-cayman-around-to-2023/

 

That is awesome! Much like driving a 4 cylinder airboat without mufflers...been there and I like. Don't think I'll ever complain about cabin noise or ride stiffness...

 

That THING hit 290 km/h in year 1912!

 

Not 100% correct


290 hp/1900 Nm and record speed just above 200 km/h.
Thats crazy fast for a car that old!


I would sell a kidney to be able to drive that "thing" down town >

 

My God, Tut that was good. So much emotion.

 

Porsche could stick a V8 or a wankel rotary engine in the 718 and still call it a 718...
In the case of the 911 and 912 they decided to give the 4 cylinder a different name so they would not "damage" the 911 reputation, if it was the other way around and the 911 always had been a flat 4 and they suddenly wanted to shove a flat 6 in there i'll bet they would not have changed the model designation.