My GTS 4.0 is currently on a ship and should be here on 8/5. I got a call from my dealer who said he has an allocation for me for the 911 s October build - Nov delivery. This will be my second GTS 4.0, and considering ordering the 911s. Any advice between the 911s and gts 4.0
GTS 4.0 or 911 S
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That's a tough choice. I cross shopped both those cars as well (though a 911 S is going to cost a lot more than a 718 GTS). I decided to go with the GTS because I think it's a more focused driver's car, and because I think it'll be more special down the line with a mid-mounted naturally aspirated engine and it's small size/weight. But the 992 911S has a lot of nice characteristics too - updated interior, a lot more customization options, and a seriously powerful engine. I find myself envying and not envying your current predicament.
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Unless they tune the 992, then no 718 will keep up.
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I totally agree, If the direction is for convertible, I like the looks of the Boxster much better than the 911. The Boxster was purpose built to be a convertible and it shows.
Thanks for all the responses. After driving my buddy's 992S today, I made the decision to stay with the GTS 4.0. I had more fun in the 718 GTS and definitely felt more connected. I also picked up my Raptor R last week and didn't want to spend an extra 50k for 992S. Looking forward to track days.
Maybe in a straight like, but it still might be close. I am going to get a track timer and will see the 0-69 and 1/4 mile. My guess is that after the tune and OAPs, it is in the low 3’s and low 11’s. On a track the 718 GTS was already the same speed as a 992 GTS and it was a manual for the 718 in that test. I love the 911. But the way it compensates on a track is with brute force, where the 718 is surgical. After the tune, my 718 now has that brute force and precision.
Most tracks 911 is going be faster with the same driver, autocross might swing it back to the 718. Throwing modifications into the mix kinda throws comparing results out the window. Any downsides the 911 had with its rear engine setup has been ironed out with Porsche's own setup, tuning, and development. I mean look at the 992 GT3.
Take a look at Nurburgring times. The new 718 GTS 4.0 keeps up with the 911 S and even GTS on the track. It bests the base and T models. And in the article I am sending you, the 4.0MT had the same time as a GTS (which was PDK). The 911 can't corner or stop as fast as a 718. And I totally get what you're saying about tuning. But I think it's worth a mention because Porsche hamstrings the 718 to maintain it's hierarchy. Getting 50hp on a NA tune is crazy. Especially when the car weighs only 3100 pounds, it becomes a missile.
Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 Beats 911 (992) Carrera, BMW M2 Competition On The Track | Carscoops
The Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 lapped the Hockenheim-GP circuit in 1:56.90
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Take the lap times lightly, unless the car is driven by the same driver in the same conditions lap times it can vary quite a bit. You can see it on fastestlaps same cars lap times posted by different drivers vary by few seconds. And that title is so misleading, there are multiple 911s on the leaderboard one of the 911 GTS had the same time and one was over 4 sec quicker, same thing with the base Carrera and Carrera S.Take a look at Nurburgring times. The new 718 GTS 4.0 keeps up with the 911 S and even GTS on the track. It bests the base and T models. And in the article I am sending you, the 4.0MT had the same time as a GTS (which was PDK). The 911 can't corner or stop as fast as a 718. And I totally get what you're saying about tuning. But I think it's worth a mention because Porsche hamstrings the 718 to maintain it's hierarchy. Getting 50hp on a NA tune is crazy. Especially when the car weighs only 3100 pounds, it becomes a missile.
Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 Beats 911 (992) Carrera, BMW M2 Competition On The Track | Carscoops
The Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 lapped the Hockenheim-GP circuit in 1:56.90
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I had a similiar thread a few months ago. Had my dealer call for an allocation on a 992 C2 GTS and after driving it, definately felt more connected a visceral than the GTS. Plus to your point, I didn't really want to spend an extra 70K (and at that point in time the were going to give me everyting I paid for on the 718 GTS 4.0). I think if it was today, I'd definately get lowballed by 10K from what I spent..Market now has definately softened...
Try telling that to dealers who are still asking for significant ADM...
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It should be a good race; I may still lean towards the Carrera. I have spent considerable time in both platforms on track. The Carrera has better rear suspension than the 718. The 718 can be snap oversteer at the limit and as strange as it sounds the Carrera is more forgiving and controlled. Additionally, a Carrera 3.0L turbo with a tune would be making 100HP over the 718 so depending on the track it could be difficult to overcome that difference unless it's a small tight track. I no longer have a Carrera, but do have 2 718's. I am just giving my opinion for whatever its worth.
this was me. I had a 991.2 Carrera T. Great car. But I wanted a convertible and 7k+ NA rev out, and I don't like 911 cabs. Targas are awesome but too $$$ for me. My GTS 4.0 comes in October.
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718 fits in all parking spots, not the 911
I just had the opportunity to compare a 911 GTS and a 718 Spyder (both PDK) on a racetrack. Myself I own a BGTS 4.0 with a manually shifted gearbox.
First : all these cars are sportscars but no racing cars. Therefore (for me) it doesn't matter, which car will be a few seconds slower or faster on the Nurburgring North track. If money doesn't count, drivers feeling is the only important thing. And regarding this, I found (for me) a very clear decision :
If it is the only (daily) car, I would definitely prefer the 911 GTS. It is comfortable, smooth and elegant to drive. The 718 is much more direct, louder, needs more attention and is not as comfortable - could even become molesting on longer trips. But it is a pure driver machine (similar to a Go cart) and - in my opinion - must be manually shifted to complete the joy of active driving. PDK in a 718 GTS 4.0 or a Spyder gives no sense in (of course only) my opinion. And it needs no Bose or Burmester equipment. Radio could be complete deleted - just listen to the sound of the engine. For a few hours ride the 718 GTS4.0 or the Spyder will give you a maximum of drivers pleasure on an open winding road.
First : all these cars are sportscars but no racing cars. Therefore (for me) it doesn't matter, which car will be a few seconds slower or faster on the Nurburgring North track. If money doesn't count, drivers feeling is the only important thing. And regarding this, I found (for me) a very clear decision :
If it is the only (daily) car, I would definitely prefer the 911 GTS. It is comfortable, smooth and elegant to drive. The 718 is much more direct, louder, needs more attention and is not as comfortable - could even become molesting on longer trips. But it is a pure driver machine (similar to a Go cart) and - in my opinion - must be manually shifted to complete the joy of active driving. PDK in a 718 GTS 4.0 or a Spyder gives no sense in (of course only) my opinion. And it needs no Bose or Burmester equipment. Radio could be complete deleted - just listen to the sound of the engine. For a few hours ride the 718 GTS4.0 or the Spyder will give you a maximum of drivers pleasure on an open winding road.
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I must say, I do understand the "opportunity" you mentioned on your 4.0, but I also collect watches, and the same thing has happened with desirable watches - They get flipped. Someone makes a quick pop of $$ because they have access to the watch/car. This drives the cost of goods sold/available out of reach for many. Please buy the car because you love it, and sell ot because you love a new one and cannot afford to keep both. But flipping it.... Well, try to buy a limited edition Porsche from ANY AD for msrp. Or to get an allocation. I waited a LONG time for my Cayman 4.0 MT, and if you offer me 10-25% more than I paid, I would still say no.
Give the OP a break. It wasn't a flip for profit per se. It was a business proposition and NOT making the sale could very well have been the IR-responsible decision......
And even if it was for earning the extra spending money I'm not comfortable judging him harshly. I wouldn't be happy with someone who bought the car for the express purpose of flipping it, but if that was the least ethical thing he did I'd love to have him as a friend.
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