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Porsche Flat 4 technical description

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Having done a 12 and 14 hour non-stop run (except for fuel) last Summer in many conditions The Bee never missed a beat. The engine can run hours above 4 k. Temp, oil pressure, etc. never varied. Great engine in a great car. Works for me.
(Note: the whole trip was over 6,000 miles in six driving days. Mostly back roads. Many gear changes.)
 
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I beat on both a 2.0T and a 4.0 liter at PEC Atlanta. Each was a 45 minute session where I spent the vast majority of the time on the outer track flooring the engine in multiple spots and working the brakes hard. Neither car had the slightest of issue with it. In each case you could smell the brakes when we got out. The PEC employee riding with me didn't even comment on it. I had never smelled anything like that before as I had never worked a car so hard. Never saw any indication that either engine had any issue with it. And both of these cars had been at PEC for a while.
 
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Exactly why I never thought twice about tracking our BGTS as soon as break-in was finished. She just loves to run hard. Thus, I treat her to frequent oil and fluid changes, along with new pads and rotors when appropriate. The expectation is she'll easily outlast me.
 
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Great writeup and people forget that the turbo4 was not some cheap downmarket, lower quality engine as some on here have alluded to. During it's inception it was intended to be NA flat6 replacement and received full Porsche engineering backing and built side by side with the other 6 cylinder sportscar powerplants. This WAS the Porsche engine for the new generation that was supposed to help Porsche meet emissions and fuel economy fleet standards. In that respect, we are lucky that it did receive the full Porsche engineering treatment. I don't want this to be misconstrued as a snub toward the 4 cylinder in the Macan, because that is a fantastic motor that currently powers our Mk7 GTI. The EA888 is a great motor whether it comes from VW or Porsche or Audi, just saying that I think a few think that the the Turbo 4 was something like this, that they pulled some off the shelf VW flat 4 and dropped it in the 718. Nothing can be further from the truth. It is really a cool, top quality motor making a lot of power per liter while being able to rev past 7000 RPM reliably.
 
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….It is really a cool, top quality motor making a lot of power per liter while being able to rev past 7000 RPM reliably.
That’s for sure! Here’s a snapshot of my first ever kickdown, after hitting the 3000km mark yesterday …. ( 2.0l ) 🤗 what a rush.


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Thanks to all for all the positive reactions....it is surprising that no oone had previously posted.
Is there any way the link can be bookmarked? Anyone with a 718 should read it!!
 
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“When the driver is pushing on and takes their foot off the accelerator, the engine management system cuts fuel as usual, but doesn’t shut the throttle, allowing air to be pumped through the engine and out of the exhaust. The wastegate of the turbocharger is closed to ensure maximum air flow through the turbo, which slows down the rate at which it decelerates and then, when the driver gets back on the power, the turbo is closer to operating speed than it would have been without this airflow. “

This should also aid in thermal management. Sucking in ambient air through the engine, intercooler, and turbo. Without any fuel combustion.
 
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This is really cool information! My ‘22 Audi Q3 motor was 2L 4CYL turbo with only 228 crank hp, so it’s interesting to read the details of how Porsche is able to push so much power through both a 2L and 2.5L 4CYL turbo motor. I’m not an engineer by any means, but as a tech geek, this is fun to read!
 
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I have a 2019 base model with PDK. It's my first Porsche and I am really enjoying it!! It's an impressive motor and the amount of torque it makes from just 2.0 liters is impressive. I have a couple of questions.

Under hard acceleration I get 19-20 pounds of boost according to the gauge in the multifunction display. But as rpm rises closer to redline, I see the boost taper off, although the car continues to accelerate. Is this tapering off of the boost at high rpm normal? Is this a function of the wastegate opening?

Does anyone know what parts of the internals are forged? My understanding is that the pistons and connecting rods are forged pieces, but what about the crankshaft??

Thanks in advance for any responses.
 
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Actually, a flat four can have either shared crank pins for the opposing pistons or individual crank pins for the opposing pistons.
Maybe. This probably becomes a religious argument.


Hence why use of flat-4 versus ‘180° V4’ or ‘Boxer 4’ is potentially ambiguous.

I am unclear as to which describes our 718 engine but was under the impression it's a flat four with shared crank pins.
Per Porsche’s Service Information Technik book, the crank journals are clearly not shared.


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I’ve spent non-trivial time looking for a non-theoretical example of a “flat-4” 180° V4 engine. Or, IOWs, a flat-4 that isn’t a “boxer-4.”

I can’t find one. And I don’t think one exists for reasons of vibration. A virtual 12-pack to anyone who can find one.

Edit: 4 stroke motor, I should have been specific.
 
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That question of F4 vs. boxer engine is that jalopnik guy making something out of nothing. Okay, you can bang on the terminology if you want but the only important question is easy.

First let's look at how you can't rig the crank. Viewed from above:
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You can't do the first arrangement because you would need pairs of cylinders to fire simultaneously. You can't do the second because the momentum transfer of all four pistons moving left or right together would shake the block back and forth. You can't do the third because the pistons at one end both moving in the opposite direction from the two at the other end would make the block yaw on a vertical axis. The last option is just silly. Arrangements 2 and 3 would allow the two front cylinders (or the two rear cylinders) to fire consecutively but you can't have them move together like that.

The only option for the cylinders at either end is that as a pair they move inward or outward together. Thus they cannot fire consecutively. The firing order must be Front, Rear, Front, Rear. That means you must have two on one side fire consecutively, then two on the other side.

Starting with the front two pistons moving in or out together, how can we arrange the other two?
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In this first arrangement the firing order counting from the front could be 2, 4, 1, 3 or equivalently 1, 3, 2, 4, or equivalently the exact reverse of either. Alternatively you could swap the two rear pistons as shown in the second arrangement. Again counting from the front they could fire 2, 3, 1, 4 or 1, 4, 2, 3, or the reverse of either.

But note the difference between two cranks. In the first arrangement the two inner crank pins are on the same side; in the second they are on opposite sides. In the first case the pistons could share a crank pin and you'd have only 4 main bearings, though you may want a crank bearing between them anyway as shown. In the second case they are on opposite sides and you would most certainly want a crank bearing between them.

So which arrangement? There are two reasons to choose the first. The first reason is this. Though the linear momentum transfer is balanced L to R and F to R for each piston pair, there is still a yawing-motion momentum couple due to the fact that the crank arms for each pair are slightly offset from each other front to rear. In the first arrangement the two pairs are in the opposite direction. The net effect is to create a bending torque in the block but a net zero on the block as a whole. Hence it is inherently smooth. In the second the two couples are in the same direction, imparting a net yawing motion on the block.

The second reason for choosing the first arrangement is that the two inner pistons can be closer together longitudinally, resulting in a shorter block. Viewed from the side their cylinder bores can overlap because they are on opposite sides of the block. With the second arrangement the inner pistons must be far enough apart to accommodate the required cylinder wall thickness between them.

In light of all this, the first arrangement in that second picture is the only one that makes sense. Making a distinction between "flat-4" and "boxer" is like making a distinction between uncooked and cooked oatmeal. You would never choose one so why bother even to name it?

Now back to your discussion of side marker color. :)
 
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In light of all this, the first arrangement in that second picture is the only one that makes sense. Making a distinction between "flat-4" and "boxer" is like making a distinction between uncooked and cooked oatmeal. You would never choose one so why bother even to name it?
This was my point above when I challenged anyone to find a 180° V4 (i.e. common crank throws).

They don’t exist. And if they ever did, they didn’t exist for very long.