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Reviews are subjective to a degree, people sometimes take them too seriously especially when they are entertainment with some facts thrown in. Automotive journalists job is to test drive many different cars, way more than an average person so of course their point of view is going to be vastly different.
 
This is really cool information! My ‘22 Audi Q3 motor was 2L 4CYL turbo with only 228 crank hp, so it’s interesting to read the details of how Porsche is able to push so much power through both a 2L and 2.5L 4CYL turbo motor. I’m not an engineer by any means, but as a tech geek, this is fun to read!
 
I have a 2019 base model with PDK. It's my first Porsche and I am really enjoying it!! It's an impressive motor and the amount of torque it makes from just 2.0 liters is impressive. I have a couple of questions.

Under hard acceleration I get 19-20 pounds of boost according to the gauge in the multifunction display. But as rpm rises closer to redline, I see the boost taper off, although the car continues to accelerate. Is this tapering off of the boost at high rpm normal? Is this a function of the wastegate opening?

Does anyone know what parts of the internals are forged? My understanding is that the pistons and connecting rods are forged pieces, but what about the crankshaft??

Thanks in advance for any responses.
 
I have a 2019 base model with PDK. It's my first Porsche and I am really enjoying it!! It's an impressive motor and the amount of torque it makes from just 2.0 liters is impressive. I have a couple of questions.

Under hard acceleration I get 19-20 pounds of boost according to the gauge in the multifunction display. But as rpm rises closer to redline, I see the boost taper off, although the car continues to accelerate. Is this tapering off of the boost at high rpm normal? Is this a function of the wastegate opening?

Does anyone know what parts of the internals are forged? My understanding is that the pistons and connecting rods are forged pieces, but what about the crankshaft??

Thanks in advance for any responses.
I attached a 18meg pdf that has tons of technical info; it's the aftersales training guide.

To answer your question on boost, yes, it does taper towards redline. And you see it in the corresponding drop in torque.
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I attached a 18meg pdf that has tons of technical info; it's the aftersales training guide.

To answer your question on boost, yes, it does taper towards redline. And you see it in the corresponding drop in torque.
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Thanks for sharing this. Lots of interesting information provided in the technical paper.

I was under the impression that the 718 uses a shared crank pin for each opposing pairs of cylinders. The diagram of the crank shows individual crank pins for each piston.
 
Then it would be a V-4 engine. Specifically a 180° V-4 engine.



And thus why it’s called a flat-4 or boxer engine.


Actually, a flat four can have either shared crank pins for the opposing pistons or individual crank pins for the opposing pistons.

Additionally, one with individual crank pins is a true boxer, while the shared pin crankshaft is generally referred to as a flat four. Here is a good article describing the difference.

Flat engine vs Boxer: Here’s the Difference – Engineerine

I am unclear as to which describes our 718 engine but was under the impression it's a flat four with shared crank pins.
 
Actually, a flat four can have either shared crank pins for the opposing pistons or individual crank pins for the opposing pistons.
Maybe. This probably becomes a religious argument.


Hence why use of flat-4 versus ‘180° V4’ or ‘Boxer 4’ is potentially ambiguous.

I am unclear as to which describes our 718 engine but was under the impression it's a flat four with shared crank pins.
Per Porsche’s Service Information Technik book, the crank journals are clearly not shared.


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I’ve spent non-trivial time looking for a non-theoretical example of a “flat-4” 180° V4 engine. Or, IOWs, a flat-4 that isn’t a “boxer-4.”

I can’t find one. And I don’t think one exists for reasons of vibration. A virtual 12-pack to anyone who can find one.

Edit: 4 stroke motor, I should have been specific.
 
I attached a 18meg pdf that has tons of technical info; it's the aftersales training guide.
Would love to have one of these guides for the GTS 4.0. Anyone? Anyone?
 
That question of F4 vs. boxer engine is that jalopnik guy making something out of nothing. Okay, you can bang on the terminology if you want but the only important question is easy.

First let's look at how you can't rig the crank. Viewed from above:
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You can't do the first arrangement because you would need pairs of cylinders to fire simultaneously. You can't do the second because the momentum transfer of all four pistons moving left or right together would shake the block back and forth. You can't do the third because the pistons at one end both moving in the opposite direction from the two at the other end would make the block yaw on a vertical axis. The last option is just silly. Arrangements 2 and 3 would allow the two front cylinders (or the two rear cylinders) to fire consecutively but you can't have them move together like that.

The only option for the cylinders at either end is that as a pair they move inward or outward together. Thus they cannot fire consecutively. The firing order must be Front, Rear, Front, Rear. That means you must have two on one side fire consecutively, then two on the other side.

Starting with the front two pistons moving in or out together, how can we arrange the other two?
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In this first arrangement the firing order counting from the front could be 2, 4, 1, 3 or equivalently 1, 3, 2, 4, or equivalently the exact reverse of either. Alternatively you could swap the two rear pistons as shown in the second arrangement. Again counting from the front they could fire 2, 3, 1, 4 or 1, 4, 2, 3, or the reverse of either.

But note the difference between two cranks. In the first arrangement the two inner crank pins are on the same side; in the second they are on opposite sides. In the first case the pistons could share a crank pin and you'd have only 4 main bearings, though you may want a crank bearing between them anyway as shown. In the second case they are on opposite sides and you would most certainly want a crank bearing between them.

So which arrangement? There are two reasons to choose the first. The first reason is this. Though the linear momentum transfer is balanced L to R and F to R for each piston pair, there is still a yawing-motion momentum couple due to the fact that the crank arms for each pair are slightly offset from each other front to rear. In the first arrangement the two pairs are in the opposite direction. The net effect is to create a bending torque in the block but a net zero on the block as a whole. Hence it is inherently smooth. In the second the two couples are in the same direction, imparting a net yawing motion on the block.

The second reason for choosing the first arrangement is that the two inner pistons can be closer together longitudinally, resulting in a shorter block. Viewed from the side their cylinder bores can overlap because they are on opposite sides of the block. With the second arrangement the inner pistons must be far enough apart to accommodate the required cylinder wall thickness between them.

In light of all this, the first arrangement in that second picture is the only one that makes sense. Making a distinction between "flat-4" and "boxer" is like making a distinction between uncooked and cooked oatmeal. You would never choose one so why bother even to name it?

Now back to your discussion of side marker color. :)
 
In light of all this, the first arrangement in that second picture is the only one that makes sense. Making a distinction between "flat-4" and "boxer" is like making a distinction between uncooked and cooked oatmeal. You would never choose one so why bother even to name it?
This was my point above when I challenged anyone to find a 180° V4 (i.e. common crank throws).

They don’t exist. And if they ever did, they didn’t exist for very long.
 
This was my point above when I challenged anyone to find a 180° V4 (i.e. common crank throws).

They don’t exist. And if they ever did, they didn’t exist for very long.
First you say they don't exist, followed by, and if they ever did. :unsure:

The article mentions two cars built with the shared crank pin design. They may be the only two ever, but the distinction remains.

Not really a big deal, just interesting design differences. Nothing to get twisted up over.
 
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