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Toughest Decision GT4 RS???!!!!

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#1 ·
Welp. I got rid of the GT4 RS idea out of my head. My GTS 4.0 kicks butt, I live in the city and like driving it around, but I also like tracking. My GTS does all those things well.

But, and it's a big BUT, I was just offered a no ADM allocation for a build next month. But they want my trade-in NOW. They offered a fair price for the trade-in. I would have no fun car for summer, take on an extra cost, and have a car that isn't as good as my GTS 4.0 for 75% of the time.

This is tough.

Sage advice is welcome.
 
#52 ·
I appreciate your insight! I do like the carbon fiber intake and side scooped, and probably the engine cover. Some carbon fiber is good, WP is too overboard IMO. TWL might be aftermarket and in Taiwan, but they make some of the best dry carbon fiber around. It's gorgeous and high quality. Someone did mention that the intake side scoops and engine cover are integral, though, so I need to look into that. I don't want an inferior setup because I slapped on some aftermarket things for aesthetics.

I am so excited to get this car, but also kind of scared. It's a big commitment, but I am certain it will be worth it. I love my GTS 4.0 so much and it is more car than I will ever need. But this was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

YOLO!!
 
#45 · (Edited)
Yes, magnesium wheels are light and great for motorsports, but a bit fragile. VERY disappointed with magnesium wheels - Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums

In motorsports, you bang wheels, you roll into the pits and get another set, no biggie.
No offense to that poster but they contact wheel to wheel to another car on a track and expect it to be just minor curb rash that's kinda ridiculous. Definitely not light contact to cause that damage. I call BS. Mag wheels in racing are able to take impacts otherwise wasted time in the pits replacing wheels. I'd say the geometry of the wheel plays a more of a factor of the failure in that case than the material.
 
#38 ·
Performance wise yea it doesn't do anything, doubt that's the point unless the magnesium wheels are optioned. $200k for a car, it covers the tiny details in my opinion. I believe parts that are switched to exposed carbon fiber are carbon already just painted over so weight change would be minimal or none at all. Making the outermost cosmetic ply visually perfect can be time consuming process to automate or hand layup.

Magnesium wheels are there for performance more than anything. Used in motorsports for a reason, they can withstand track use. 21 lbs of unsprung mass is a lot. May not survive curb rash but if it can't handle significant loading you'd see on the track I doubt Porsche would sell them.

Weissach pack

Exterior:
  • Exposed carbon fiber front trunk lid
  • Exposed carbon fiber side air intakes and combustion air blade behind the driver and passenger windows
  • Exposed carbon fiber exterior mirrors
  • Exposed carbon fiber rear wing
  • "PORSCHE" logo on top of the rear windshield in Dark Silver
  • Titanium tailpipes in 935 look
Interior:
  • Exposed carbon fiber air box and air intakes with "GT4 RS" logo in silver
  • Upper section of the dashboard in Race-Tex
  • Dashboard trim with "Weissach Package" logo
  • Headrests embroidered with "Weissach Package" logo
 
#39 ·
Thank you. And I agree the magnesium wheels are the performance part of the package. But I’m not even close of enough of a driver to be remotely good where it will matter much. A few years in this car and serious seat time, maybe then.

With this being at the top of my budget, I don’t think WP makes sense for me. But I’ll def be swapping some parts out for TWL carbon parts. I need to see how bad the engine cover looks before making the decision. But I will definitely be doing the intake scoops.
 
#40 ·
Thank you very much. I hit the jackpot.

I have a long ways to go as a driver before even coming close to scratching the surface of the capabilities of this car. But I’m going to enjoy it for years to come and get plenty of time and have lots of smiles. I just hope my wife enjoys riding in it.
 
#33 ·
One of the few without the Weissach pack for better or worse.
Hoens
One of the few without the Weissach pack for better or worse.
I am not a fan of the carbon fiber hood. I think it's too full on. I like some carbon fiber bits like intake scoops and engine cover. I will get that from TWL. Their carbon fiber is top-notch, and it will save me about $11k.
 
#34 ·
Hoens

I am not a fan of the carbon fiber hood. I think it's too full on. I like some carbon fiber bits like intake scoops and engine cover. I will get that from TWL. Their carbon fiber is top-notch, and it will save me about $11k.
$11k is like 6% of the car's value. It does come with a lot of other stuff besides a carbon hood. Makes the interior and exterior more special and exciting in my opinion but making the car bespoke to you is part of what makes a Porsche a Porsche.
 
#31 ·
Hey everyone. Thank you so much for your insight. I ended up taking the $0 ADM GT4 RS allocation. While I love my GTS 4.0, it was too hard to pass this up. Unfortunately, as part of the deal, I need to part with Hans (my GTS) in two weeks so they can get top dollar for him during the summer season. It is understandable on their part, considering they are one of the few dealerships that don't charge ADMs. And yes. They were fair on my trade-in, and I live in a state with sales tax credit.

This car will be seeing the track, AutoX, hitting back country roads, and making some jaunts around the city streets of Seattle. Here is my build, which locks for production in two weeks for October delivery. It is a MY25, likely the last year for production.

I need to return my car, which has awesome mods back to stock. These are for sale.
Soul Street Headers (600 miles on them) $4,000

TWL Carbon Fiber Ducktail Spoiler $1150 (I actually need a gloss black OEM spoiler. If you want to trade, we can work something out for a fair price)

GT4 intake scoops are painted in metallic ice grey. Can be repainted. GT4 logo buffed out. $300

TWL Carbon Fiber Interior Covers. Looks so much better than the cheap plastic OEM. $650

Fabspeed Carbon Fiber Exhaust Tips $500
 
#29 ·
It depends on the condition of the roads on which you will drive. The suspension in one site gives the spring rates for the 718GT4 as 45n/mm front, 80n/mm rear, the GT4RS 100n/mm front, 140n/mm rear. The suspension of the RS in normal mode is stiffer than that of the 992 GT3 in track mode. It can be tiring on a long trip, especially with the bucket seats and hard on the back unless the roads are quite good.
williamrsr
 
#26 ·
No ADM - Go for it
Giving up your car in prime driving weather - Don't go for it
Getting a build like BK "Do it your way" - Go for it
Thinking (and maybe even knowing) the GTS is more car than you'll ever need - Don't go for it
The GTS is a great all'rounder that checks more usability boxes - Don't go for it
CPO is always an option later down the road so there is no feeling of being hurried into a decision - Don't go for it.
It's up to you friend. Post back what you next move it when it happens!
 
#24 ·
I personally would not, even though the RS will go down as a legendary Porsche

With the market as it is, you probably could not go GTS -> GT4RS -> GTS without loosing money. No doubt you have good spend history with the dealer, but there is a reason you got that call... And, outside of the track, I very much doubt it is that pleasant a car, truth be told. It will feel special no doubt, but very very full on.

(I am also very skeptical that below 6k RPM there is any performance difference. Yes, you'll be above that all the time on track, but how often on road?)

If you want it just as a thing to have though, go for it!
 
#21 ·
You keep coming back to the RS so it’s definitely something you WANT. If you can afford to scratch that itch, and will truly make you happier, who are we to convince you either way? It’s a great car but I think you need to decide how much time and expense you are willing to commit to tracking in the future. Could be a lifetime and if so, this car will do it for you for many years to come although you may decide that it’s not enough and you need a GT3RS as you continue down the rabbit hol.

If this is something you are committed to, then it makes sense. I still believe you can have a blast in your current car. But the fact that this may end being a limited opportunity to buy and spec it the way you want it, then maybe it is the right thing to do for you.
 
#20 ·
Our semi-garage queen BGTS gets most of her mileage traveling to and from the track. We do weekend drives a couple times a month; however, my lovely Bride has never driven her once...and I've encouraged this many, many, many times. Her SL450 is more her cup of tea. Thus, I'd have to jump all over a no-ADM Spyder RS allocation, whether I need one or not.
 
#15 · (Edited)
Welp. I got rid of the GT4 RS idea out of my head. My GTS 4.0 kicks butt, I live in the city and like driving it around, but I also like tracking. My GTS does all those things well.

But, and it's a big BUT, I was just offered a no ADM allocation for a build next month. But they want my trade-in NOW. They offered a fair price for the trade-in. I would have no fun car for summer, take on an extra cost, and have a car that isn't as good as my GTS 4.0 for 75% of the time.

This is tough.

Sage advice is welcome.
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If you have another daily driver, and you are not giving up a manual, do it; get the GT4RS!
 
#19 ·
because its not comfortable for use as a street driven car

one GT4 RS owner I talked to (tracks his regularly) commented that even with a helmet & ear plugs - its loud inside

the other factor is the maintenance requirements on the RS version are quite high compared to the GTS and GT4 versions - even calls out wheel bearing service intervals due to track use
 
#10 ·
"I live in the city and like driving it around"-said NO ONE EVER, about a 4RS car. Ride or drive one-others have mentioned-hot, NOISY, unbelievably so...forget conversations, it's really a solo experience-life changing, but are you truly ready for that...the fear of parking it "....in the city..." Do you have earplugs? This is a race car...a rock star of a race car...ready for that kind of attention. Remember that supermodel? High maintenance....look at the number currently for sale....like all supermodels, someone, somewhere is tired of putting up with her sh*t.
That said, if you do get one, your new "friends" will be lining up to "help you".