[InigoMontoya]

Thanks. By resale value i meant that it will make selling the car easier. Example one would choose a used cayman with the Bose rather than one with the base one for the same price. You get the idea. Kinda like putting a pool at home in your backyard. Is there really a big weight difference between the stock radio and the Bose? I think it would be minimal. Less than 0.5% of the total weight of the car. To me weight is not a factor for radio. The Bose makes the most sense to me.

Yes, I am new to Porsche and still learning "the ways." I am finding that reselling a Porsche is high priority and weight savings is not at all. I guess when I switched to Porsche from BMWs, I thought more would care about weight. I was even thrown for a loop when I first started to look at Porsches, the salesperson kept talking about resale value non-stop and I asked if I could get a different one that would relate to a performance enthusiast.

Yes, the radio does not add a lot of weight and it would make little difference in the 4.0 which is already heavier than the T. I was not against adding the subwoofer, amp and extra weight for the radio if it sounded a lot better. Buying the T and trying to keep it as light as possible is what made me stop and think about options. I would've added the Bose if it sounded significantly better, but it didn't to me. I also would've added the much heavier 18 way seats if the 2 ways were uncomfortable, but they 2 ways were great. I did add the larger, slightly heavier tank, because that did add value per pound added to me. So just wanted to make sure that I was not against adding any weight, I was against adding weight blindly without thinking about it. That's all. With that said, there are about 3 of us left in the entire Porsche community that probably still care about stuff like that.....I just wish I could find the other 2! : )

Yes, if resale ease is a high priority, then I agree, it might be quicker to sell especially if you get a common combination where there are many like yours and maybe Bose might tip someone to yours or they might put Bose in the search engine.

Anyway, the poster asked how we arrived at the decision so I shared it. Hope it helps and if anyone knows the other 2 guys in the Porsche universe that care about keeping cars light, focused on performance and simple, tell them Inigo Montoya is looking for them......not to kill them... I already took care of the six-fingured man, just to chat!

Best wishes.

 

[subculture]

In the FWIW department:
I have heard only the Bose system. I bought my car from dealer inventory, the only one they had at that time, and it is Bose. I'm happy with it. When I'm sitting still it sounds awesome, including the subwoofer. When I'm driving, the rest of the car makes lots of tire and engine noise. I can turn the audio up plenty loud, but the "full audio experience" will never be concert hall quality with all that noise. Do check whether the settings are good, bad, or indifferent. You never know how someone else set them. The "surround sound" option just makes voices sound muddled, a problem if you are trying to hear a news or sports report while driving. The compensation for car volume is a nice touch. The tone controls can be whatever you want, but I generally leave mine flat, with "linear volume". (I believe that "linear volume" settings is the traditional bass-compensation from old-style stereo pre-amps.)

I certainly would not pay $6000 for the Burmeister upgrade. The audio environment isn't worth it, IMHO.

I have posted this next point a few times but it is generally ignored by the audio-power junkies. A car's interior is about the worst environment possible for good audio. Good audio is far more than just power, though power is necessary to cut through road and engine noise. In a car, the difference between good and great audio can be indiscernible, especially with enough road noise, so just getting more power might be sufficient for most people. (Some credentials: I spent 10 years as an engineer at Lexicon (a Bose competitor) working on high-end consumer and pro-audio gear. I developed and wrote the coding for a very effective surround-sound room correction system for the MC-12. Once I actually worked out the complex algebra formulas to use head-shadow effect to try to accommodate both driver's and passenger's stereo sound stage in a car. The company did not follow up on the effort though and I was never able to determine if the final result was degenerate or contained numerical anomalies.)

hi Jim,
for sure, you should have followed this sound Project though and then pushed your solutions through to this very forum.
just saying 😎

 

[P_Coastal]

Porsche took care of the lightweight design. BMW no longer cares. Arguing about the 5 pounds weight difference on the audio selection is pointless for my priorities.

 

[JazzCatGab]

I voted base because in about 4 years and about 15K miles, I've nothad my radio on but did put some music in the jukebox and listened to it about 10 minutes. That was almost 4 years ago and I really don't remember the sound well enough to judge quality.

 

[Treemagnet]

Our '17 BS had Bose. Sound clarity (for my non-audiophile senior ears) was fairly decent up to ~35 mph and just okay on to ~50ish, then road/exhaust noise overwhelmed the listening experience and didn't feel it was useful for anything but talk radio.

Opted for Burmester at the last minute for our '22 BGTS. Sound quality is very good up to ~65 mph, but the road/exhaust intrusion degrades the experience fairly rapidly, which isn't very good over 80. Could barely hear a very seriously cranked Radar Love on COTA's back straight before hammering the brakes for turn 12. Then again, not sure windows down at 155+ creates an ideal listening environment.

 

[Sabally]

I originally wanted Burmester in my 2017 Boxster S when I built it but couldn't justify the price upgrade so I chose Bose,
My 2023 Boxster GTS 4.0 build was originally Bose again but then they dropped it so I Added Burmester, I have kept the Burmester in the build as its locked in now.

 

[jimmuller]

hi Jim,
for sure, you should have followed this sound Project though and then pushed your solutions through to this very forum.
just saying 😎

He! Thanks for the vote of confidence. It sounds like a good idea but in hindsight, meaning with what I see in car audio systems now, there are other ways to accomplish what I was thinkin' at the time. The fundamental, and simple, problem I was trying to solve was how to generate a proper sound stage for both passenger and driver when they are seated so close to the speakers w.r.t. how far apart they are from each other. In other words, when two speakers are in the dash under the windshield, how do you get proper volume balance left and right for both, and for what frequency ranges. That assumed the simplistic and old-fashioned approach of just two speakers, one for L and one for R. If you put enough speakers in the dash each listener can essentially have their own personal sound stage. So the whole premise is moot if you throw enough hardware at the problem. Stereo perception is a strange beast anyway.

I ended up leaving Lexicon for other reasons. It was a fun and incredibly interesting experience. I'd still be doing professional audio if I had my choice. However life takes its own unexpected turns sometimes, and I'm happy now too.

 

[Hal H]

He! Thanks for the vote of confidence. It sounds like a good idea but in hindsight, meaning with what I see in car audio systems now, there are other ways to accomplish what I was thinkin' at the time. The fundamental, and simple, problem I was trying to solve was how to generate a proper sound stage for both passenger and driver when they are seated so close to the speakers w.r.t. how far apart they are from each other. In other words, when two speakers are in the dash under the windshield, how do you get proper volume balance left and right for both, and for what frequency ranges. That assumed the simplistic and old-fashioned approach of just two speakers, one for L and one for R. If you put enough speakers in the dash each listener can essentially have their own personal sound stage. So the whole premise is moot if you throw enough hardware at the problem. Stereo perception is a strange beast anyway.

I ended up leaving Lexicon for other reasons. It was a fun and incredibly interesting experience. I'd still be doing professional audio if I had my choice. However life takes its own unexpected turns sometimes, and I'm happy now too.

its been remarkable with DSP doing a lot of the heavy lifting for car audio setups

My '01 Mercedes (w/ Bose) is the more traditional L / R setup with various drivers in different heights (tweeters are at corner where outside mirrors are) and midrange / woofers down lower and and midrange / full range in back of doors (2 door car) and rear deck are bass only - so its the more 'analog' approach plus Bose's EQ'ing for that system

My Dodges (2009, then a 2016) had front center channel, DSP and a dedicated 8" sub with both channels directed to that.

What I noticed going from the '09 (Boston Acoustics 386w 7 drivers plus sub) to the '16 (Alpine 506w 9 drivers plus sub) - is the Alpine setup has remarkable imaging and separation - I also notice subtle details in recordings where an instrument that's in the mix (piano or a guitar fill) that I hadn't noticed before

the progression of mobile audio systems - it has changed so much. unfortunately, using satellite or streaming, IMO the listener is shortchanging their experience

[I have CD's in the 'Benz and use full .wav format from the CDs I ripped to my computer]

 

[Box Box]

Just enjoy the sound of 4.0 purrrrrrr & spend the extra cash track days.

 

[ThreePedalEd]

Yes, I am new to Porsche and still learning "the ways." I am finding that reselling a Porsche is high priority and weight savings is not at all. I guess when I switched to Porsche from BMWs, I thought more would care about weight. I was even thrown for a loop when I first started to look at Porsches, the salesperson kept talking about resale value non-stop and I asked if I could get a different one that would relate to a performance enthusiast.

Yes, the radio does not add a lot of weight and it would make little difference in the 4.0 which is already heavier than the T. I was not against adding the subwoofer, amp and extra weight for the radio if it sounded a lot better. Buying the T and trying to keep it as light as possible is what made me stop and think about options. I would've added the Bose if it sounded significantly better, but it didn't to me. I also would've added the much heavier 18 way seats if the 2 ways were uncomfortable, but they 2 ways were great. I did add the larger, slightly heavier tank, because that did add value per pound added to me. So just wanted to make sure that I was not against adding any weight, I was against adding weight blindly without thinking about it. That's all. With that said, there are about 3 of us left in the entire Porsche community that probably still care about stuff like that.....I just wish I could find the other 2! : )

Yes, if resale ease is a high priority, then I agree, it might be quicker to sell especially if you get a common combination where there are many like yours and maybe Bose might tip someone to yours or they might put Bose in the search engine.

Anyway, the poster asked how we arrived at the decision so I shared it. Hope it helps and if anyone knows the other 2 guys in the Porsche universe that care about keeping cars light, focused on performance and simple, tell them Inigo Montoya is looking for them......not to kill them... I already took care of the six-fingured man, just to chat!

Best wishes.

I know a ton of Porsche enthusiasts that care about weight…..or at least appreciate the visceral feel of a lightweight sports car. Including my neighbor who, in addition to his 991.2 GT3, has a 1970 911S that weighs under 2,200 pounds.

I care about weight as well, but that’s not why I specified a 6 speed or LWBS, nor why I fretted over getting Bose or a GTS 4.0 instead of a T. Yes the GTS weighs 100 pounds more than the T. But the T weighs 150 pounds more than my former 981 Cayman S with a 3.4 NA 6 cylinder. Porsche has done an excellent job of offsetting the differences with suspension engineering improvements. I feel that my GTS ia equally as nimble and visceral as my 981, and better handling overall.

I’m sure I would find your T as satisfying as my GTS in the handling department, notwithstanding that they both weigh 50 and 150 pounds more, respectively, than my 1995 Nissan Maxima “4 Door Sports Car”. 😀

 

[P_Coastal]

Just leaving this here since the title asks about difference:
Sound Package Plus, 8 loudspeakers, 150-watt total output with integrated amplifier.

 

[mc3456]

Had Bose on my 991.2 C4S Cab and it absolutely stunk, so I never considered not getting Burmester this time around. To me, it was worth every penny compared to the Bose.

 

[~el~jefe~]

Burmester in a Boxster i have and it is worth it. Just expensive. The Bose is a very good deal for decent sound. Burmester is like immensely more awesome and should be.

Base is just for people that dont really listen to music much ever, or just from time to time. Base is also the choice for those upgrading it from what i gather. It also saves 5 Kilograms compared to bose and burmester is 6 kg.

 

[Viv]

Yes, I am new to Porsche and still learning "the ways." I am finding that reselling a Porsche is high priority and weight savings is not at all. I guess when I switched to Porsche from BMWs, I thought more would care about weight. I was even thrown for a loop when I first started to look at Porsches, the salesperson kept talking about resale value non-stop and I asked if I could get a different one that would relate to a performance enthusiast.

Yes, the radio does not add a lot of weight and it would make little difference in the 4.0 which is already heavier than the T. I was not against adding the subwoofer, amp and extra weight for the radio if it sounded a lot better. Buying the T and trying to keep it as light as possible is what made me stop and think about options. I would've added the Bose if it sounded significantly better, but it didn't to me. I also would've added the much heavier 18 way seats if the 2 ways were uncomfortable, but they 2 ways were great. I did add the larger, slightly heavier tank, because that did add value per pound added to me. So just wanted to make sure that I was not against adding any weight, I was against adding weight blindly without thinking about it. That's all. With that said, there are about 3 of us left in the entire Porsche community that probably still care about stuff like that.....I just wish I could find the other 2! : )

Yes, if resale ease is a high priority, then I agree, it might be quicker to sell especially if you get a common combination where there are many like yours and maybe Bose might tip someone to yours or they might put Bose in the search engine.

Anyway, the poster asked how we arrived at the decision so I shared it. Hope it helps and if anyone knows the other 2 guys in the Porsche universe that care about keeping cars light, focused on performance and simple, tell them Inigo Montoya is looking for them......not to kill them... I already took care of the six-fingured man, just to chat!

Best wishes.

I care about lightness.
My Cayman will have just a very few options, so no PDK, Burmester, electric seats, leather, fancy stitching, etc.
I don't worry about resale.
My car will be for driving, not admiring.

 

[GTSPDK]

that's pretty much the business model for any auto manufacturer

look at the upcharge for dual clutch auto transmissions - very healthy upcharge for those

and then with the huge touch screens - they larger screen is typically bundled in with higher trim level or a bundled option package that may not be available in the lower trim levels - or, is a mandatory group of option packages

Not every automotive manufacturer makes money as well as porsche. In fact porsche has the highest profit margins in the automotive industry.

 

[Porsche Wolfe]

Yes, I am new to Porsche and still learning "the ways." I am finding that reselling a Porsche is high priority and weight savings is not at all. I guess when I switched to Porsche from BMWs, I thought more would care about weight. I was even thrown for a loop when I first started to look at Porsches, the salesperson kept talking about resale value non-stop and I asked if I could get a different one that would relate to a performance enthusiast.

Yes, the radio does not add a lot of weight and it would make little difference in the 4.0 which is already heavier than the T. I was not against adding the subwoofer, amp and extra weight for the radio if it sounded a lot better. Buying the T and trying to keep it as light as possible is what made me stop and think about options. I would've added the Bose if it sounded significantly better, but it didn't to me. I also would've added the much heavier 18 way seats if the 2 ways were uncomfortable, but they 2 ways were great. I did add the larger, slightly heavier tank, because that did add value per pound added to me. So just wanted to make sure that I was not against adding any weight, I was against adding weight blindly without thinking about it. That's all. With that said, there are about 3 of us left in the entire Porsche community that probably still care about stuff like that.....I just wish I could find the other 2! : )

Yes, if resale ease is a high priority, then I agree, it might be quicker to sell especially if you get a common combination where there are many like yours and maybe Bose might tip someone to yours or they might put Bose in the search engine.

Anyway, the poster asked how we arrived at the decision so I shared it. Hope it helps and if anyone knows the other 2 guys in the Porsche universe that care about keeping cars light, focused on performance and simple, tell them Inigo Montoya is looking for them......not to kill them... I already took care of the six-fingured man, just to chat!

Best wishes.

I also care about how much my Porsche weigh, lost 98 lbs and my Porsche is now 98 lbs lighter. 🤣

 

[~el~jefe~]

I care about lightness.
My Cayman will have just a very few options, so no PDK, Burmester, electric seats, leather, fancy stitching, etc.
I don't worry about resale.
My car will be for driving, not admiring.

Then get full bucket seats.

 

[GTSPDK]

Just leaving this here since the title asks about difference:
Sound Package Plus, 8 loudspeakers, 150-watt total output with integrated amplifier.
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I’m assuming there is no subwoofer in the bose system? If there is what is the watts? Burmester has a 300 watt subwoofer. Hence the 821 watt rating vs 500w on bose.

 

[Hal H]

I’m assuming there is no subwoofer in the bose system? If there is what is the watts? Burmester has a 300 watt subwoofer. Hence the 821 watt rating vs 500w on bose.

There is a subwoofer with the Bose, the amp channel for Bose isn't broken out separately as the literature with Burmester is.
-their 505W rms figure is the all the channels summed up (incl. the sub)

 

[RobertM]

I’m assuming there is no subwoofer in the bose system? If there is what is the watts? Burmester has a 300 watt subwoofer. Hence the 821 watt rating vs 500w on bose.

The integrated subwoofer is under the dash and to the left on the driver's side. It's in the same location as the Burmester subwoofer.