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I wonder how come Porsche did not made a 2.7 flat six single turbo for the 718 ..
I'm making an educated guess here, but Porsche has to meet CAFE standards for average mileage requirements for it's fleet. That is why even though everyone wants GT4s and GT3s, Porsche still has to make more efficient models to counteract the gazz guzzlers. The 4 cylinder is lighter and with two less cylinders has less internal friction than a 6 cylinder. So if driven judiciously, it is a more efficient motor since it carries less weight and less friction and can make more power. It was also designed from the ground up to be turbocharged whereas the NA 6 was not. The motor is bigger and would be hard to fit the intercooler and plumbing in the tight Cayman/Boxster body. That is my educated guess.
 
I'm making an educated guess here, but Porsche has to meet CAFE standards for average mileage requirements for it's fleet. That is why even though everyone wants GT4s and GT3s, Porsche still has to make more efficient models to counteract the gazz guzzlers. The 4 cylinder is lighter and with two less cylinders has less internal friction than a 6 cylinder. So if driven judiciously, it is a more efficient motor since it carries less weight and less friction and can make more power. It was also designed from the ground up to be turbocharged whereas the NA 6 was not. The motor is bigger and would be hard to fit the intercooler and plumbing in the tight Cayman/Boxster body. That is my educated guess.
They built a 3.0 dual turbo engine for the 992.
Is it the 4.0 NA same size than the 2.5T in dimensions? Do you think a 4.0 NA does not need more room than a 2.7 turbo?
Why they could not build a new 2.7T from the ground ?
 
They built a 3.0 dual turbo engine for the 992.
Is it the 4.0 NA same size than the 2.5T in dimensions? Do you think a 4.0 NA does not need more room than a 2.7 turbo?
Why they could not build a new 2.7T from the ground ?
they could and maybe make it work but read my post. The 4 cylinder is lighter and more efficient and smaller which makes it easier to fit the plumbing and Inter cooler than a larger heavier motor. The cayman is
More restrictive and smaller since engine is in the middle not the back. That is also why they couldn't fir
The manual gearbox for
The gt4 RS. Size limitations as well according to Porsche also They need to build more efficient motors to average out the bigger less efficient motors. Sorry I don't know how else to say it. Is there someone on here that could
Explain it better perhaps?
 
While the move to turbocharging had everything to do emissions, the emission difference between a four and a six of the same displacement would be minimal. I don't think that the four cylinder had anything to do with emissions. Porsche simply felt that they could not get a 6 cylinder turbocharged motor to fit the available space. Period. And no, the 4.0 does not need more space than the 2.7 T. The engine block may be slightly larger, but it's the plumbing and intercooler(s) that make the difference.

FYI, the 4.0 motor is the 911's 3.0, less the turbos and bored out.
 
While the move to turbocharging had everything to do emissions, the emission difference between a four and a six of the same displacement would be minimal. I don't think that the four cylinder had anything to do with emissions. Porsche simply felt that they could not get a 6 cylinder turbocharged motor to fit the available space. Period. And no, the 4.0 does not need more space than the 2.7 T. The engine block may be slightly larger, but it's the plumbing and intercooler(s) that make the difference.

FYI, the 4.0 motor is the 911's 3.0, less the turbos and bored out.
The weight and friction came from the Porsche engineer introducing the turbo motor, so just relaying what he said about the 4 cylinder, weight and friction. I didn't say emissions either, I said mileage. A manufacturer's fleet has to meet and average fleet mileage requirement. So for every 5.0 mustang built, Ford has to build 2 or 3 Eco Boosts or Fiesta to meet the fleet average requrements. I understand that consumption and emissions are related, but CAFE is about average mileage.

Corporate Average Fuel Economy | NHTSA

 
Since Im thinking of ordering a 4.0 gts in the near future and own a cayman T presently I’d appreciate the thoughts of those that have experienced both engines as to the differences pros cons and has anyone regretted moving to the gts 4.0 and leaving the turbo.
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I've owned both a highly optioned 718 S and now have a GTS4.0. Essentially the same cars save for the engine. As much as I loved the S and it's 2.5T, I don't regret having traded it for the 4.0. I prefer the power delivery of the 4.0 and its exhaust note over the 2.5, but it's just that, a preference. I can't say anything negative about the 2.5T. There are those that wonder out loud if the 2.5T beats the 4.0 in the low end torque department. The published torque curves notwithstanding, I've never once felt as if the 4.0 was lacking on that score.
 
While the move to turbocharging had everything to do emissions, the emission difference between a four and a six of the same displacement would be minimal. I don't think that the four cylinder had anything to do with emissions. Porsche simply felt that they could not get a 6 cylinder turbocharged motor to fit the available space. Period. And no, the 4.0 does not need more space than the 2.7 T. The engine block may be slightly larger, but it's the plumbing and intercooler(s) that make the difference.

FYI, the 4.0 motor is the 911's 3.0, less the turbos and bored out.
How come there are turboed 981s with the aftermarket turbo kit?
Actually TPC tolds me this kit would fit the 4.0 but they were not able to tune the ecu to manage the turbo.
Regarding the 4.0 turbo kit
"The turbo kit for the 718 4.0 is same as it fits 981S but the 718 ECU is locked for this high level of tuning. It can be done with a Motec standalone ECU. We have looked into this and may possibly do one in-house. However, the right Motec ECU for this job cost more than our turbo kit. The labor and dyno time to create mapping from scratch would be costly. With the 981 turbo kits we were able to use stock ECU and COBB Accessport to streamline the whole process and the cost. New cars have ECU's that are locked, they can do small mods but not to the extent of converting a non-turbo car to a turbo.”
 
How come there are turboed 981s with the aftermarket turbo kit?
Actually TPC tolds me this kit would fit the 4.0 but they were not able to tune the ecu to manage the turbo.
Regarding the 4.0 turbo kit
"The turbo kit for the 718 4.0 is same as it fits 981S but the 718 ECU is locked for this high level of tuning. It can be done with a Motec standalone ECU. We have looked into this and may possibly do one in-house. However, the right Motec ECU for this job cost more than our turbo kit. The labor and dyno time to create mapping from scratch would be costly. With the 981 turbo kits we were able to use stock ECU and COBB Accessport to streamline the whole process and the cost. New cars have ECU's that are locked, they can do small mods but not to the extent of converting a non-turbo car to a turbo.”
You asked why Porsche didn't turbo a six, and what I wrote was their response at the time. The question was a very common one back in 2015.
 
I'm sitting on the horns of a dilemma....
I bought a 2.5S in August and love it. But it will be 9 years old when the proposed ban on new ICE engines comes into force in Europe.
I have been planning to order a new GTS for delivery in mid 2024, but the dealer will not guarantee a build slot with all the bits I want, because of the semi-conductor issues. Already the Porsche UK configurator has dropped some features and options...
I have found an 8000 mile "70 plate" Manual (September 20 to Feb 2021) GTS in sage green with light tan upholstery, with the following key options...
Sport Design Package, Sport Chrono package, white dials, Park assist + camera, PDLS, PVT, 20" Carrera wheels in Platinum, Bose, 2 Zone Auto climate, dimming mirrors and rain sensor, GT Wheel, 64 litre tank, Heated seats, Cruise control and speed limiter, leather sun visors, light design, GT Sports wheel, at a realistic price. The downside it is at a Bentley/Mclaren dealership.

I was going to drive it tomorrow.....but I don't want a manual...
 
I'm sitting on the horns of a dilemma....
I bought a 2.5S in August and love it. But it will be 9 years old when the proposed ban on new ICE engines comes into force in Europe.
I have been planning to order a new GTS for delivery in mid 2024, but the dealer will not guarantee a build slot with all the bits I want, because of the semi-conductor issues. Already the Porsche UK configurator has dropped some features and options...
I have found an 8000 mile "70 plate" Manual (September 20 to Feb 2021) GTS in sage green with light tan upholstery, with the following key options...
Sport Design Package, Sport Chrono package, white dials, Park assist + camera, PDLS, PVT, 20" Carrera wheels in Platinum, Bose, 2 Zone Auto climate, dimming mirrors and rain sensor, GT Wheel, 64 litre tank, Heated seats, Cruise control and speed limiter, leather sun visors, light design, GT Sports wheel, at a realistic price. The downside it is at a Bentley/Mclaren dealership.

I was going to drive it tomorrow.....but I don't want a manual...
There’s a very nicely specced Shark Blue PDK GTS4.0 here:

If I hadn’t bought my Carmine Red in August I’d have been very tempted ;)
 
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